Illegal Immigration: What to do?

  • Thread starter Thread starter JakeW
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
40.png
Norwich:
Be very careful friends, remember, as far as the native American Indians are concerned, most of your ancestors were illegal immigrants!!!😃
Click to expand...
That kind of proves our point. If us Euros were in fact illegal immigrants, then they should of fought just a little bit harder to keep us out. :cool:

Scott
 
40.png
Norwich:
Be very careful friends, remember, as far as the native American Indians are concerned, most of your ancestors were illegal immigrants!!!😃
Click to expand...
While I assume your comment is a bit tongue in cheek, realize that the Native Americans often did not have a concept of land ownership as did the Europeans. So we didn’t take ‘their’ land because that wasn’t a concept that they understood in many tribes. Further there was a LOT of unpopulated land in this country. It was not ‘owned’ by anyone.

Lisa N
 
The only way to stop illegal immigration is to dry up the job market for them. People will go where there are jobs and no amount of security will stop them. They will find a way around the security if they can find work and there are no jobs at home. The way to stop them is to send people who knowingly hire them to prison and make sure their govenments do everything in their power to establish a good economic base so that business will flourish in their home countries thus creating jobs at home for them.
 
Lisa N:
While I assume your comment is a bit tongue in cheek, realize that the Native Americans often did not have a concept of land ownership as did the Europeans. So we didn’t take ‘their’ land because that wasn’t a concept that they understood in many tribes. Further there was a LOT of unpopulated land in this country. It was not ‘owned’ by anyone.

Lisa N
Click to expand...
I wonder if that’s how the Spanish justified their actions in South and Central America?
 
Capture the ones that are here now and ship them back to where they come from. Build a massive wall between the US and “meh he co” and put our military on the boarder. Someone else tries to cross over…shoot to kill.
 
40.png
Norwich:
I wonder if that’s how the Spanish justified their actions in South and Central America?
Click to expand...
No, they felt no need to justify it. They would have simply said it was theirs by right of conquest. This native-population-as-victim concept is purely a modern invention that would not only have been alien to the Spanish, but also to the conquered population whom I’m willing to wager would look on the modern whiny fusspots as a disgrace to their memory.

Scott
 
Reading all of these remarks has made me more knowledgeable on the subject and I thank everyone for submitting. But…the first thing that comes to my mind is…What would Jesus do? :hmmm:
 
Reading all of these remarks has made me more knowledgeable on the subject and I thank everyone for submitting. But…the first thing that comes to my mind is…What would Jesus do? :hmmm
 
I realize there is a strain on the economy and much of it is said to be attributable to illegal immigration. However, the hostility I feel here is terrifying. The “just capture them & ship them back” as if people were animals is unChristian. Plus, this could lead from illegal immigrants to the US children born to illegal immigrants to all Hispanics not in the US more than 5 generations, etc. Or, of course, this can lead to the “just capture them & ship them back” of any group we don’t feel is contributing or didn’t arrive in the US the way we think they should have.

Let’s keep in mind that we are talking about people not an adjective (“illegals” degrades people to an adjective reflecting strong negative feelings). Many of the people who try or do cross the US borders have sacrificed greatly to try and improve life for themselves and their families. Many have lost their lives. The poverty they are fleeing must be extremely oppresive if they are willing to takes such risks and make such sacrifices.

The problem is one between the governments of Mexico and the United States. Let’s keep the hostility away from the people.
 
Capture, investigate, and send them back (as long as their country doesn’t decide to kill them for trying to leave). Accept valid political/religious assylum seekers, etc.

More security at the border.
 
I would argue that all illegal immigrants over here came to US for financial reasons. Or came as ‘turists’ and decided to prolong their stay for a while.
Secondly, I do not sincerely think that deporting all illegal immigrants to where they came from, is good for the economy. Most of them work in low paying jobs and I do not see any ‘cradle’ Americans rolling up their sleves and filling their positions.
 
40.png
MarySon:
I would argue that all illegal immigrants over here came to US for financial reasons. Or came as ‘turists’ and decided to prolong their stay for a while.
Secondly, I do not sincerely think that deporting all illegal immigrants to where they came from, is good for the economy. Most of them work in low paying jobs and I do not see any ‘cradle’ Americans rolling up their sleves and filling their positions.
Click to expand...
Just think of what a fruit picker’s union would do to the cost of oranges!

Seriously.
 
40.png
MarySon:
I would argue that all illegal immigrants over here came to US for financial reasons. Or came as ‘turists’ and decided to prolong their stay for a while.
Secondly, I do not sincerely think that deporting all illegal immigrants to where they came from, is good for the economy. Most of them work in low paying jobs and I do not see any ‘cradle’ Americans rolling up their sleves and filling their positions.
Click to expand...
Mary do you think it is Christian to exploit these people’s desperation? We are using them, just as they are using us. It’s a really disgusting situation all around. Illegal workers artificially lower the wage rates. Employers are able to pay less than market because the workers have no power to complain. So we get cheap lettuce and the taxpayers pay for schools, crime and health care. Do you think that is GOOD for the economy? I don’t. I am a real believer in a market economy but this is an artificial,underground economy where everybody pays and there are very few winners.

Aside from the burden on our schools and hospitals, the CRIME brought in by illegals from Mexico is staggering. The majority of meth comes from Mexico. We just had a HUGE bust in this state with $250K in meth (it’s a CHEAP DRUG this is a LOT of meth) found in compartments of cars. They were all illegals here from Mexico.

Do you really think getting cheap labor for a few employers is worth this price? Do you have any idea what meth costs our social services? We absolutely need to stop this flood of people across the border, demand proper documentation of anyone working here and treat them like human beings if they are here to work honestly.

Lisa N
 
Lisa N:
Why are you worried about their wages, you don’t want them in your country anyway?

There will be crime levels and a rising crime level whether you have immigrants illegal or not illegal.

We absolutely need to stop this flood of people across the border, demand proper documentation of anyone working here and treat them like human beings if they are here to work honestly.

Like human beings? Your speech betrays you, they ARE human beings.

I am sure the Native Americans were most opposed to the first pilgrims taking their land and effectively pushing them off theirs, killing them and starving them out of existance…

As has been shown, immigrants can build a country, maybe America should think about that rather than being reactionary in a negative way after the 9/11 disaster. Not all immigrants are terrorists

Lisa N
Click to expand...
God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
 
Lisa N:
Mary do you think it is Christian to exploit these people’s desperation? We are using them, just as they are using us. It’s a really disgusting situation all around. Illegal workers artificially lower the wage rates. Employers are able to pay less than market because the workers have no power to complain. So we get cheap lettuce and the taxpayers pay for schools, crime and health care. Do you think that is GOOD for the economy? I don’t. I am a real believer in a market economy but this is an artificial,underground economy where everybody pays and there are very few winners.

Aside from the burden on our schools and hospitals, the CRIME brought in by illegals from Mexico is staggering. The majority of meth comes from Mexico. We just had a HUGE bust in this state with $250K in meth (it’s a CHEAP DRUG this is a LOT of meth) found in compartments of cars. They were all illegals here from Mexico.

Do you really think getting cheap labor for a few employers is worth this price? Do you have any idea what meth costs our social services? We absolutely need to stop this flood of people across the border, demand proper documentation of anyone working here and treat them like human beings if they are here to work honestly.

Lisa N
Click to expand...
Thats an interesting concept, stop illegal immigrants trying to support their families and you will cure the American drug problem!!! Hummm… :confused:
 
40.png
Norwich:
Thats an interesting concept, stop illegal immigrants trying to support their families and you will cure the American drug problem!!! Hummm… :confused:
Click to expand...
It is quite clear that she is implying that the same gaps in the borders that illegals come through are the same gaps that drugs come through. It is not outrageous to suggest that a well-regulated border that stops illegal immigration will at least hamper the drug supply. Of course the issue of drug demand still needs addressing.

Really, this is starting to sound like contention for the sake of contention.

Scott
 
40.png
springbreeze:
God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa
Click to expand...
Teresa the way you quoted made it impossible to paste your answer but here goes:

I have NO PROBLEM with people coming to this country LEGALLY to do honest work. None. The problem is that when people come illegally, not only do they actually cost money to our society (justice system, education, health care) but because they are illegal they are subject to being exploited by employers. People who come here honestly and legally will be paid and have working conditions within our laws. It will be much harder to exploit them the way we do now…although as I said, even though they work for substandard wages, they also put big demands on our taxpayer’s dollars. It’s a rotten situation all around.

Yes I said treat them like human beings, so please don’t bother with the ‘tut tutting.’ The REALITY is that they are NOT treated like human beings and they should be. But again they come here illegally and are thus able to be exploited. We have created a semi permanent underclass that is right in front of everyone’s nose but is under the radar screens of officials. Everyone is looking the other way.

I don’t know if President Bush’s guestworker program is viable or not. I’ve tried to find out via some people who work with migrant communities. I think that if we made it easy for people to come here temporarily to work, if they were properly documented, paid any appropriate taxes then we would certainly have people who are not only treated better but also they would be here honestly and paying their share for the services they receive

LIsa N
 
40.png
Norwich:
Thats an interesting concept, stop illegal immigrants trying to support their families and you will cure the American drug problem!!! Hummm… :confused:
Click to expand...
So you think people should be able to cook and transport meth to the US so they can ‘feed their families?’ The majority of meth is cooked and transported here from Mexico. Again I have no problem with people coming her to do honest work but our sieve like borders is allowing a large number of criminals to get through as well. The three that were just caught with $250K of meth had already been here in the past, had engaged in criminal activity and simply returned after passing across the border.

While it will not cure the drug problem, cutting the Mexican Connection will certainly reduce the supply

Lisa N
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top