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As for Catholics, I would say we recognize our sinfulness. That’s the difference.
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Cyril
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Depends, if you mean can they be good without God in the strict sense of being a better person, of course they can. Going on the assumption that the catholic church is the one true way (which many of you do otherwise you wouldn’t be here) there isn’t multiple ways but there are better methods of going up that way.More often than not, when I open up to people about my Catholic faith I hear the above or “I know a lot of really moral people that don’t believe in God” and similar “one doesn’t have to believe in God to be a good person” type responses.
How would you respond to that?
I have been a Catholic since March 31 or this year so do not have all the answers yet (as if I ever will!)
Thank you!!!
Responses like this make me very angry. Go build a huge wall, get all your catholic friends together an go live in your new Jerusalem then. Stop hindering the rest of humankind by shrug off our advancements with your half informed votes at the polls and your mocking derision.Religion isn’t about making this world better. It’s about preparing ourselves for the next one.
Needing God is a better way of wording this argument, you need God to do it best not you need god to do it at all.Ask them why they think just because someone is “good”, that they don’t “need” God. It sounds like they’re trying to boil God down to nothing more than a lawgiver, totally ignoring that He is a savior.
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goodcatholic
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I’m a good God. I don’t need human beings?
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CaptainPrudeman
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Ah yes, advancements including prenatal infanticide, meaningless sex and destruction of families, widespread divorce, and all the other “benefits” secular society has brought to our world. Give me a break. Just because you can’t see how reversing direction on a mistake is progress doesn’t mean it isn’t.
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Cyril
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Lots to unpack here.
Regaurdless of all that, the advancements I’m talking about could have raised the quality of life considerably but christains will do things like whine: “Why we funding space?” “Why we funding AI” “You cant live forever, why we funding immortality” “when should support Israel” “America first!”.
Without considering the benefits exploration or stopping genocide just because it fits into their supposed ideas of a book when the Vatican itself supports all those good things and condemns the bad.
The ignorance of your own religion staggers the mind.
First, bad thing happening doesn’t take from the good or so the pro crusade people would have you believe.Ah yes, advancements including prenatal infanticide
Sex always has meaning, you are horny you have sex. When your thirsty you drink.meaningless sex
The government does that more often then “society”. Go look up the separation of children from parents by immigration.destruction of families
Life happens, you don’t get to say its a bad thing when the benefits outweigh the penalties and the math back up divorce.widespread divorce
Regaurdless of all that, the advancements I’m talking about could have raised the quality of life considerably but christains will do things like whine: “Why we funding space?” “Why we funding AI” “You cant live forever, why we funding immortality” “when should support Israel” “America first!”.
Without considering the benefits exploration or stopping genocide just because it fits into their supposed ideas of a book when the Vatican itself supports all those good things and condemns the bad.
The ignorance of your own religion staggers the mind.
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CaptainPrudeman
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Oh right, every single Christian is the same. We never think for ourselves and we all worship a fiction book. We all support the crusades despite an explicit “Ends never justify means” (and what good comes of abortion anyways? Mental health problems?). We all think that any meaning is good meaning, despite sex outside marriage or the use of it to feed desires desecrating the sacred act. We all hate those nasty immigrants from the Mexico-Land because Jesus obviously said “Love thy neighbor unless they’re not your race.” Divorce is great and we all hate science. You’ve figured us all out, yessir. We’re all just a bunch of idiots and science is always the way!
For someone who claims to fight ignorance, you sure haven’t helped yourself that much.
For someone who claims to fight ignorance, you sure haven’t helped yourself that much.
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Cyril
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Yeah well when the same Christians flock to the poles crying “love thy neighbor” but vote conservative to preserve their christian way of life while damning millions others I take that with a grain of salt.
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CaptainPrudeman
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Maybe we’re not gonna vote for the party that supports mass prenatal infanticide. Just a thought. Republican politicians are pretty far from perfect, as I’m sure most people here would agree, but that doesn’t mean that to be “real Christians” we have to support abortion, proliferation of contraception, and all the other morally-devoid policies that the American left throws our way.
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Cyril
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Who said anything about voting republican? Or supporting abortion? How about you do your christian duty and over throw the system that allows this forced choice between too evils?
Oh thats right, that would mean you’d have to sacrifice your way of life.
Oh thats right, that would mean you’d have to sacrifice your way of life.
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CaptainPrudeman
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What would you suggest we do, oh omnipotent one? There’s no platform for us to spread the word about political parties that support Catholicism 100% and still be heard by the many people that would need to vote them in.
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Cyril
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I’m not omnipotent but dont cry a corrupt world and go to church in your clean clothes while people die from your inability to give that up.
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CaptainPrudeman
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Want me to give up my clothes? Fine. Want me to give up my food? Fine. Show me the way and I’ll take the place of a homeless man.
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Cyril
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No I want you to do something other then just live life on the backs of everyone else suffering around you. You cant choose what caste you were born into the world but you can make the most of it. Change it, dont permit it. How about restarting your US government or helping palatines or permitting research instead of demonizing those who do.
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CaptainPrudeman
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You’re acting like I don’t help at all. I do. I donate as much as I’m able to on a very limited teenage income. What kind of research would you like us to “stop blocking?” If it’s not sinful research I’ll gladly shut up people protesting it and let humanity be bettered. However, I’m not going to let people sin because you think it might help people in this life.
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Saying that someone is a “good person” is, on its own, extremely vague. When someone says that they don’t “need God” to be good, that’s cleaning it up a bit and gives a better idea of what they’re trying to say. They’re making a judgement about morality and are coming to the conclusion that they can either be an impeccable person without the Divine, or they’re OK with being just an “OK” person because it’s extremely difficult to follow all of God’s precepts.Needing God is a better way of wording this argument, you need God to do it best not you need god to do it at all.
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Cantankersaurus
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Religion isn’t about making this world better, not primarily. It is about preparing ourselves for the next one.Religion isn’t about making this world better. It’s about preparing ourselves for the next one.
It makes sense from a Catholic perspective that being with God in heaven is what’s most important in the end. But this doesn’t have anything to do with hindering the rest of mankind. Why does this response make you angry?
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OsculeturMeOsculo
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Most people aren’t necessarily good but just don’t commit big enough faults and possess things that make them likeable.
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Reuben_J
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Similarly people can be successful without tertiary education but it usually takes an above average person with natural talent to do so. An average guy would find tertiary education helpful to his success in life compared to if he has none in the first place.
There are happy people who don’t believe in God. There are lay people who take painkillers without being a doctor. But there are people who need God; and when a doctor prescribes painkillers though the effect is the same the knowledge each has is not.
It is obvious the comparison is not technically correct since we cannot really know the different respective situations in totality.
There are happy people who don’t believe in God. There are lay people who take painkillers without being a doctor. But there are people who need God; and when a doctor prescribes painkillers though the effect is the same the knowledge each has is not.
It is obvious the comparison is not technically correct since we cannot really know the different respective situations in totality.
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Shakuhachi
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It is not either/or, but both/and. You cannot do now without the other.
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Cyril
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Stop hindering the rest of humankind by shrug off our advancements with your half informed votes at the polls and your mocking derision.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Stop hindering the rest of humankind by shrug off our advancements with your half informed votes at the polls and your mocking derision.
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