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[Wannano]

To think that a Priest I know has been touched by someone who has been touched by Jesus! Wow!

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They both must be getting quite old!

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

They both must be getting quite old!

Actually, logically speaking there is a possibility only one of them is getting quite old. So statement should have been “at least one of them must be getting quite old!” (one could be 2K years old while another is 30 technically) Also, have you ever heard of Count of St. Germain?

 

[TheMortenBay]

They both must be getting quite old!

I mean, discounting confecting the Eucharist as “touching Jesus”, I didn’t feel up to counting the links back to Our Lord.

 

[Wannano]

Wannano:

They both must be getting quite old!

Actually, logically speaking there is a possibility only one of them is getting quite old. So statement should have been “at least one of them must be getting quite old!” (one could be 2K years old while another is 30 technically) Also, have you ever heard of Count of St. Germain?

No. I have not.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

No. I have not.

It’s a legend about nobleman who had a way to prolong his life and also to increase his wealth. In one instance of said legend, he was actually personal friend of Apostles and lived until around 1730 or something like that, not exactly sure at this moment.

 

[Marshmallow1]

Hope this doesn’t sound aggressive how would you read John 21:15-19
Ofcourse its Peter saying he loves Jesus 3 times because of his 3 denials but Jesus also tells Peter specifically to lead his sheep, no other apostles. This with Matthew 16:18 it’s hard to deny Peter has significant authority over the apostles

 

[Seekingthetruth]

This with Matthew 16:18 it’s hard to deny Peter has significant authority over the apostles

I guess if you read it into the text. There’s nothing really showing that Peter had supremacy, or that the church’s central hub was Rome. To answer your question, I’m not sure, I haven’t really studied that passage of scripture in depth to have any real opinion. Perhaps if you know of some resources that dig into the topic in depth that I could look over and i could do a little study and get back to you.

 

[Wannano]

Hope this doesn’t sound aggressive how would you read John 21:15-19
Ofcourse its Peter saying he loves Jesus 3 times because of his 3 denials but Jesus also tells Peter specifically to lead his sheep, no other apostles. This with Matthew 16:18 it’s hard to deny Peter has significant authority over the apostles

Are you suggesting the other Apostles are the sheep Jesus was referring to?

Did Jesus tell him to lead his sheep or feed his sheep?

 

[Marshmallow1]

From what I Understand it depends on the translation. (Edit: I miss wrote its either Feed or tend sorry about that!)
And no I’m not suggesting the apostles are the sheep we are. Of course they are all shepherds to a certain point but Jesus says this specifically to Peter not to the others just like he only referred to Peter as the rock.

 

[Babaganoush]

I know what panentheism is but what do you mean when you say you are a soft panentheist?

 

[Seekingthetruth]

what do you mean when you say you are a soft panentheist?

So “soft panentheist” is a term i call myself. However it would probably be more accurately described as Palamite pan-entheism. Are you more familiar with that term?

 

[Seekingthetruth]

Jesus says this specifically to Peter not to the others

Could it be that maybe Jesus had a similar conversation with the other apostles and the Gospel writer chose not to add it in?

 

[Marshmallow1]

Even if that would be true why include Peter’s and no one else’s? Again hope this doesn’t sound aggressive it’s always hard to tell over text.

 

[Seekingthetruth]

Even if that would be true why include Peter’s and no one else’s?

I just feel if Peter was the only head of the church then they would’ve made that more clear. However assuming each apostle was an equal patriarch of a certain area for example, Peter as the head of Rome, James as the head of Jerusalem, etc… that is shown often because no apostle seems to have more power than the other

 

[Seekingthetruth]

I probably didnt make a lot of sense so i can always clarify haha

 

[Marshmallow1]

No I get it! And on it’s own the Verse isn’t the most convincing but with Matthew 16:18 and other things Peter and the Papacy | Catholic Answers

And Father Mike has a wonderful video on it as well!

 

[Seekingthetruth]

Matthew 16:18

Perhaps but there’s also some weird things in the greek in this passage. Such as the change from the masculine word to the feminine word for rock. So if we were to take the word actor and actress, then a similar setence would be “you are my actor, and with this actress, i will make my movie”. So perhaps the rock on which Jesus will build his church is something other than Peter because i don’t think Jesus would have used a feminine word when referring to Peter.

 

[Marshmallow1]

• it’s either Feed or Tend depending on the translation I read. Sorry about that!

 

[humbleseeker]

Such as the change from the masculine word to the feminine word for rock.

This is a common misconception:

Peter the Rock | Catholic Answers Tract

 

[Seekingthetruth]

Upon rereading the article I removed my last question.

If I was willing to grant the RCC’s interpretation of Matthew 16. Here’s a better question… how do you go from Peter to the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome only?