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I hope that people can see the difference between leaving a parish that is actively pro-abortion and leaving a parish that sings “Lord of the Dance” once in a while.

Perhaps if you are contemplating leaving a parish, it would be good to go before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and tell Him why you are leaving. Ask if He thinks your reason is legitimate.
 
Cat said:
I hope that people can see the difference between leaving a parish that is actively pro-abortion and leaving a parish that sings “Lord of the Dance” once in a while.

Perhaps if you are contemplating leaving a parish, it would be good to go before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and tell Him why you are leaving. Ask if He thinks your reason is legitimate.
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This is a very important point.

It sounds from some of these posts that there are some parishes that are out of control. Maybe because of the priest shortage the Bishops have to put up with rebellious priests. Also, some priests are weak leaders and let rebellious parishiors take over.

My point is that some people go parish shopping for petty, self-centered reasons.
 
Cat said:
I hope that people can see the difference between leaving a parish that is actively pro-abortion and leaving a parish that sings “Lord of the Dance” once in a while.

Perhaps if you are contemplating leaving a parish, it would be good to go before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and tell Him why you are leaving. Ask if He thinks your reason is legitimate.
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👍 :tiphat:
 
Cat said:
I hope that people can see the difference between leaving a parish that is actively pro-abortion and leaving a parish that sings “Lord of the Dance” once in a while.

Perhaps if you are contemplating leaving a parish, it would be good to go before Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and tell Him why you are leaving. Ask if He thinks your reason is legitimate.
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Nicely put. This is something I think everyone can agree on. 🙂
 
I must agree with some of the responders who said in certain cases it is OK to church shop. Some years ago we had two priests who made comments from the pulpit that I won’t print and you probably wouldn’t believe me if I did. We went to a neighboring parish because in our parish I would come out of church so angry that I felt terrible.

The Mass never changes in wonderment and value but when things like the above occur I would much rather go to a Catholic Church where such things don’t happen.

It was discussed and even the bishop got involved but nothing changed.:gopray2:
 
I just want to say that I am very attached to the EF. There is only one parish in my diocese that offers that. I have been in a diocese that refused to offer it and the clergy were vehemently opposed to it, so no amount of my trying to 'work" with my parish was going to change that (even though there were several of us who did desire the TLM). I am very happy and comfortable at the church I now attend and would not want to go to any of the churches in my area as they do not now and as far as I know of, have no plans to offer the EF. I think they are fine the way they are and their parishioners are probably just as happy there as I am at my church. I don’t parish shop, I simply attend the closest EF Mass available to me.
 
Monica37 said:
I just want to say that I am very attached to the EF. There is only one parish in my diocese that offers that. I have been in a diocese that refused to offer it and the clergy were vehemently opposed to it, so no amount of my trying to 'work" with my parish was going to change that (even though there were several of us who did desire the TLM). I am very happy and comfortable at the church I now attend and would not want to go to any of the churches in my area as they do not now and as far as I know of, have no plans to offer the EF. I think they are fine the way they are and their parishioners are probably just as happy there as I am at my church. I don’t parish shop, I simply attend the closest EF Mass available to me.
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:confused: What is EF. Mind if I ask. I know TLM is Tridentine Latin Mass or Traditional Latin Mass, but what is EF?
 
I love my home parish. But I also love tripping on pilgrimages wherever my bike or transit, or feet will take me. Where ever I am, I am suppose to be there. I’ve been to GREAT masses. and some pretty lousy ones too. But I always come home in the week or evry other sunday to my Holy Family.

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Jimsdun said:
:confused: What is EF. Mind if I ask. I know TLM is Tridentine Latin Mass or Traditional Latin Mass, but what is EF?
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EF is the same as TLM. It is now often called that because Pope Benedict XVI refered to the TLM as the Extraordinary form of the Latin Rite in his Moto Propio “bringing it back”. The current mass, Novus Ordo, is often called the OF or ordinary form

it does not mean anything in regards to language, as the OF can be celebrated in vernacular or latin, and in fact, the norm should be Latin, and the vernacular the exception.
 
Can anyone here find a specific mandate that states that you MUST be a member of the “nearest” church to your residence? My understanding is that the geographic boundaries are not in force anymore other than for those Catholics who are not formally registered at any parish.
 
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Can anyone here find a specific mandate that states that you MUST be a member of the “nearest” church to your residence? My understanding is that the geographic boundaries are not in force anymore other than for those Catholics who are not formally registered at any parish.
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That would be a real problem in my geographic area. My neighborhood is 40% Hispanic, yet the local parish is a white-flight parish with no hispanic ministries, and no Spanish mass. Most of the parish is under 30 years old, yet the demographics of the neighborhood, the average age is 49. Most whites in m my neighborhood are Mormons. If that had to be the case where everyone had to be registered with their local parish, this parish would have to close its present facility and move into a much smaller venue, because it could not financially sustain the present facility.
 
Shoreguy1105 said:
Can anyone here find a specific mandate that states that you MUST be a member of the “nearest” church to your residence? My understanding is that the geographic boundaries are not in force anymore other than for those Catholics who are not formally registered at any parish.
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There isn’t one.

In most dioceses, they are not. If a diocese has geopgrapnic boundaries in place, they usually let people know on their web site, or the web sites of the parishes.

There are two in our diocese that do insist upon the geographic border or a special form to complete, because these parishes are so awesome and overcrowded. That was mandated by the parish council and approved by the bishop. The others take 'em as they come to register.
 
Jimsdun said:
That would be a real problem in my geographic area. My neighborhood is 40% Hispanic, yet the local parish is a white-flight parish with no hispanic ministries, and no Spanish mass. Most of the parish is under 30 years old, yet the demographics of the neighborhood, the average age is 49. Most whites in m my neighborhood are Mormons. If that had to be the case where everyone had to be registered with their local parish, this parish would have to close its present facility and move into a much smaller venue, because it could not financially sustain the present facility.
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What is “white-flight” and why would hispanics be a financial hardahip?
 
pnewton said:
What is “white-flight” and why would hispanics be a financial hardahip?
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I live in Mesa, Arizona. There are a lot of white supremacist racists here. Read in the news about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Russell Pierce. It is practically open season on Hispanics here. There are two parishes in Mesa and one in Chandler that offer Spanish mass, but the one that would be my local geographic parish is all white and under 30 The demographics of the surrounding neighborhood, the average age is 55.
 
Jimsdun said:
I live in Mesa, Arizona. There are a lot of white supremacist racists here. Read in the news about Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Russell Pierce. It is practically open season on Hispanics here. There are two parishes in Mesa and one in Chandler that offer Spanish mass, but the one that would be my local geographic parish is all white and under 30 The demographics of the surrounding neighborhood, the average age is 55.
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I think I get the picture. It is a sad thing that race must play a part. Actually the parish I attend is mostly hispanic. I crossed parish boundries because I could be of greater service there than the more middle class parish in my own town.

I have been impressed with how the immigrant hispanics contribute. Those who can not afford to give money will spend all day at the Church on work projects. We do much with less money.
 
Jimsdun said:
That would be a real problem in my geographic area. My neighborhood is 40% Hispanic, yet the local parish is a white-flight parish with no hispanic ministries, and no Spanish mass. Most of the parish is under 30 years old, yet the demographics of the neighborhood, the average age is 49. Most whites in m my neighborhood are Mormons. If that had to be the case where everyone had to be registered with their local parish, this parish would have to close its present facility and move into a much smaller venue, because it could not financially sustain the present facility.
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I don’t understand this post. If your local parish is mostly white, but your neighbors are mostly Hispanic, how is the local parish a “flight” parish? Because they attract younger people from elsewhere? That could be because the English Masses at the “Hispanic” parish don’t feature music by the St. Louis Jesuits. Because your parish doesn’t do Hispanic ministries? Sometimes, those ministries have to be concentrated in fewer parishes, because there are not enough priests available who are competent to offer Mass and hear confessions in Spanish.

Considering that the churches with traditional architecture would be the most like the traditional parishes in South and Central America, I wouldn’t be surprised that the more “traditional” parishes are more likely to also have the Hispanic ministries, too. There isn’t anything intrinsically wrong with that.

As far as white supremacist racists, God forbid they have any footing or influence in any Catholic parish, anywhere.
 
EasterJoy said:
I don’t understand this post. If your local parish is mostly white, but your neighbors are mostly Hispanic, how is the local parish a “flight” parish? Because they attract younger people from elsewhere? That could be because the English Masses at the “Hispanic” parish don’t feature music by the St. Louis Jesuits. Because your parish doesn’t do Hispanic ministries? Sometimes, those ministries have to be concentrated in fewer parishes, because there are not enough priests available who are competent to offer Mass and hear confessions in Spanish.

Considering that the churches with traditional architecture would be the most like the traditional parishes in South and Central America, I wouldn’t be surprised that the more “traditional” parishes are more likely to also have the Hispanic ministries, too. There isn’t anything intrinsically wrong with that.

As far as white supremacist racists, God forbid they have any footing or influence in any Catholic parish, anywhere.
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30 years ago, Mesa was a white suburb. Now it’s more ethnically diverse. Some residents don’t except that. Also, most whites in Mesa are Mormons, and the old guard probably consider Hispanics among the Lamanites. In other words, it’s thinly disguised xenophobia.

So if there are a lot of Hispanics in Mesa now, and most Hispanics are Catholic, why are there so few Catholic parishes? And why is the largest parish in Mesa still lily white? Perhaps your right with the lack of traditional architecture. It could also be the watered-down liturgy that resembles a born again evangelical Protestant service.
 
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