I'm an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?

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wanner47 said:
By looking in the Bible and seeing who Jesus gave authority to, and who He placed at the head of His Church.

Because you haven’t proven to me that you have the authority to correctly interpret Scripture.

Because you haven’t proven to me that you have the authority to correctly interpret Scripture. Without that authority, my interpretation is just as valid as yours is.
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This is really getting us nowhere.

From the onset all you do is make these kind of statements and ask questions (sometimes silly questions) revolving around these statements, even though they have been answered. You have even tried putting words into my mouth by saying that I made statement that I have not.

You have not tried to debate the verses in question or even try to disprove the ideas that I have put foward.

I really cant see this leading anywhere except around in a familar circle.
Why don’t you agree with it if the Bible “remains silent” on the issue? Doesn’t silence imply consent?
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For starters I didnt state that the Bible is silent on the issue, I stated that it was unclear about homosexuality and gave reasosn for that. Please dont put words in my mouth.
Bolding mine.
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Yep.
Ah, but we do know. That’s why Jesus set up a Church.
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No we dont know.
Prove me wrong.
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Its not actually a matter of that.
Yes, it is.
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No its not. It is possibly mentioned elsewhere, but not in the Gospels.
 
Elric said:
Oh, alright then.

Where am I comming from?
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Left Field.
No sorry, what I mean is the person you are chatting with is presenting things in a Catholic POV, perhaps the discussion needs to turn a bit so you as a non-Catholic can /could understand that POV.
 
If you do not feel a state of separation from God, and you are actively gay, then your conscience is either uninformed by the arguments of the Magisterium or the arguments of the Magisterium do not override the dictates of your conscience.

Either way, the state of “sin” is not about a running tally of all the bad things you’ve done. A state of sin is a description of the isolation, anxiety and lack of hope characteristic of a life being lived outside of a state of grace (that is, characterized by CHOICES that serve to diminish your spirit rather than fortifying your spirit).

If you do not feel as if you are “going to hell” then you probably are not “going to hell.”
 
dconstruct said:
If you do not feel a state of separation from God, and you are actively gay, then your conscience is either uninformed by the arguments of the Magisterium or the arguments of the Magisterium do not override the dictates of your conscience.

Either way, the state of “sin” is not about a running tally of all the bad things you’ve done. A state of sin is a description of the isolation, anxiety and lack of hope characteristic of a life being lived outside of a state of grace (that is, characterized by CHOICES that serve to diminish your spirit rather than fortifying your spirit).

If you do not feel as if you are “going to hell” then you probably are not “going to hell.”
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Where do you get your info from, definitly not from any Catholic resourses, sounds new agey.
 
dconstruct said:
If you do not feel a state of separation from God, and you are actively gay, then your conscience is either uninformed by the arguments of the Magisterium or the arguments of the Magisterium do not override the dictates of your conscience.

Either way, the state of “sin” is not about a running tally of all the bad things you’ve done. A state of sin is a description of the isolation, anxiety and lack of hope characteristic of a life being lived outside of a state of grace (that is, characterized by CHOICES that serve to diminish your spirit rather than fortifying your spirit).

If you do not feel as if you are “going to hell” then you probably are not “going to hell.”
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I think what dconstruct is saying is that this would be the state of one’s thinking, if the aforementioned conscience was in place. I dunno…am I on target, or way off with my assumption, dconstruct?:o
 
The law of conscience:

*Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

(Catechism of the Catholic Church, Doubleday:New York, © 1994, United States Catholic Conference, Inc. - Libreria Editrice Vaticana, p. 244 w/Imprimi Potest of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) *

Benedict XVI (formerly Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) is hardly what I would call “New Age.”

Regarding the nature and definition of sin, I suppose I will attribute my understanding to St. Augustine who described sin thus:

Dictum vel factum vel concupitum contra legem æternam

That is, a word or act, undertaken purposefully that obviates the disconnection between the individual and the divine (legem aeternam: the order eternal).

I wouldn’t call St. Aug particularly “new-agey” either…

I meant exactly what I said.
 
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