I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

[sola_scriptura]

Whaddaya know, something else we agree on! This is fantabulous! I was I/F Baptist prior to God making me Catholic, and they don’t ordain women either, so it was never a problem for me. Most of the administrative and educational positions at my parish are held by women, so it’s not like we’re totally oppressed or anything. We have our vocations, the men have theirs. God knows what He’s doing.

Wow from Baptist to Catholic? That’s a heck of a transition. I always enjoy a good Baptist sermon but honestly they’re tradition is not scholarly enough for my taste. But gosh a Catholic service is a real sleeper for me though. It is like McDonald’s, you get the same thing at every church (at least in the US). A boring sermon, a OT and Gospel reading, ringing some bells, raising a cup, etc. etc.

I used to Methodist before adopting a Calvinist position. So for me it was the other way around – my former minister was female. Then by grace I found the Presbyterian church (one of its more conservative denominations). I can attest that no other place do you really feel the power of God in the room quite like you will at a good Presbyterian service.

I’ve actually known some Catholic priests (both my undergrad and law schools were Catholic) & boy personally they just don’t seem like very happy people. I’m not making a broad statement because obviously who can in this regard. However, they drank too much, they seemed depressed quite frankly, and that sort of self doubt is just very rare among Calvinists. After all we have no doubt in our election. I know there is not a single thing in all of creation that can separate me from the love of God, what a wonderful thing.

We make the good news even better!

 

[Ag_not]

Come on Ag_not you don’t want to be convinced away from your church do you?

I dont have a church. I specifically asked on this thread for objections to the catholic church so I could look into them for myself.

If you’re going to be Catholic, then be Catholic boldly

If its Gods will, I shall

I hope one day all churches will adopt the right theology.

That wouldnt by any chance be YOUR theology would it

So let’s get off to a better footing shall we?

Aww nooooo, not again !!! I Hate when that happens I’ve just been sarky to him and I read the next line and he’s being nice to me Darn it

Seriously Sola - :hug3:

 

[pegging]

OK it’s me again. I reel when I hear the scripture quoted…there’s nothing that can separate me, etc…I had a “discussion” years ago with a man, I thought a good friend, like a big brother, who was trying to convince me of his strain of protestant faith…he quoted that same verse, and to demonstrate his point he …well he touched my breast…and I was holding my baby in my arms. He sexually molested me, and claimed that not that, THAT would keep him from heaven…Once saved, always saved…it won’t cut it. WORKS can be good or evil…that was evil…
sorry…I think that you can lose your salvation if you do not do what Jesus says to do…

 

[Ag_not]

OK it’s me again. I reel when I hear the scripture quoted…there’s nothing that can separate me, etc…I had a “discussion” years ago with a man, I thought a good friend, like a big brother, who was trying to convince me of his strain of protestant faith…he quoted that same verse, and to demonstrate his point he …well he touched my breast…and I was holding my baby in my arms. He sexually molested me, and claimed that not that, THAT would keep him from heaven…Once saved, always saved…it won’t cut it. WORKS can be good or evil…that was evil…
sorry…I think that you can lose your salvation if you do not do what Jesus says to do…

That’s horrific. He’d have lost a good deal more than his salvation if he had done that to me !!!

Please tell me you pressed charges !!! - Actually, I can understand from what you wrote if you didnt.

 

[pegging]

You make me smile! I may have misled the viewing audience. The touching WAS the extent of the sexual molestation…but it doesn’t matter HOW MUCH happened, it happened. And it still makes me furious after 25 years. I have spent 8 years at a crisis pregnancy center, and 80+ percent of the clients have been sexually traumatized in some manner, most much worse than I. However, I can relate.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Well, I’d like to take a stab at this, considering I am no longer Protestant and way to early in my journey of faith to call me Catholic. While in a Protestant Church, I always felt as something was missing. Like there was more to the story.

Honestly, I was too scared to go to a Catholic Church in the beginning. I always had this misconception that it was some crazy person religion where they spoke in tounges and shoved people down steps telling them they were healed.

But now, after learning a bit about it and attending a Mass or two. I look back at the Protestant beliefs and think honestly…how do you know the truth, you were not there. And I look at the Catholic faith as my new home that I have been looking for my whole life.

 

[pegging]

Welcome Home! The Catholic Faith can not be understood or learned in a “normal” way, I’ve decided. Faith is a pure gift of God. You either “get it” or you don’t. I tried for years to figure it all out on my own, and was so confused. I can’t really tell you what it was that changed all that…but I am so at peace and in love with my Catholic family and it has a Father, an older Brother, AND a Mother!!Amazing!!

 

[sola_scriptura]

OK it’s me again. I reel when I hear the scripture quoted…there’s nothing that can separate me, etc…I had a “discussion” years ago with a man, I thought a good friend, like a big brother, who was trying to convince me of his strain of protestant faith…he quoted that same verse, and to demonstrate his point he …well he touched my breast…and I was holding my baby in my arms. He sexually molested me, and claimed that not that, THAT would keep him from heaven…Once saved, always saved…it won’t cut it. WORKS can be good or evil…that was evil…
sorry…I think that you can lose your salvation if you do not do what Jesus says to do…

That’s beyond a sick comparison to make. So what are you comparing me to your molester because I quoted the same verse in Romans 8 that he did? I mean that is truly the most disrespectful and repulsive thing I’ve ever heard a Christian utter from their keyboard?

I just prayed for you and I hope you can get over the horrible thing that happened to you.

 

[sola_scriptura]

If its Gods will, I shall

whatever church you join be Christan and know that if you faith in Christ you will not be put to shame.

That wouldnt by any chance be YOUR theology would it

of course – I thank God for putting my soul into a body with a great mind.

Aww nooooo, not again !!! I Hate when that happens I’ve just been sarky to him and I read the next line and he’s being nice to me Darn it

Seriously Sola - :hug3:

no worries dude – these discussions get heated.

 

[pegging]

I am sorry if you understood that I was inferring you were evil…What I was trying to get at was back to all the discussions on works versus being saved by faith alone…being assured of your salvation, etc. This man really thought he was saved…always saved…no matter what he ever did from now to eternity. Can’t be so. Wheat and chaff. Sheep and goats. He can not be sure. He better be repentent. I pray for him. I have “worked” very hard to help many others to heal, as I have been healing.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Wow from Baptist to Catholic? That’s a heck of a transition.

You have no idea. It wasn’t quite that direct, though.

I went from nominal Methodist to on-fire Baptist, where I was very happy for more than 10 years. On a whim, I got an Anglican Book of Common Prayer and was drawn towards liturgical worship. There are no Anglo-catholic churches around here and I’m in a VERY liberal ECUSA diocese, so that was a no-go. I ended up at a rather conservative ELCA Lutheran church. I’d go to their 8:00 service, and then the Baptist Sunday School/church at 10. That became more difficult (especially Sunday School) the more sacramental I became. Then I listened to “One Church” from the Bible Christian Society and that got me to thinking, but I was still quite resistant to the idea of actually becoming Catholic (that whole Authority thing I mentioned in my first post on this thread). I prayed fervently and I heard. God. speak. to. me. I knew without a doubt that I had to be Catholic. I have no regrets.

I always enjoy a good Baptist sermon but honestly they’re tradition is not scholarly enough for my taste. But gosh a Catholic service is a real sleeper for me though. It is like McDonald’s, you get the same thing at every church (at least in the US). A boring sermon, a OT and Gospel reading, ringing some bells, raising a cup, etc. etc.

Homilies can be good or bad. Most of the time they’re good, at least in my neck of the woods. The sameness? It’s that way by design. And, it’s an OT reading, a Psalm, an epistle, and then the Gospel reading. In 3 years Catholics have heard just about the entire Bible, with the exception of the genealogies.

CS Lewis in Letters to Malcolm:
Every service is a structure of acts and words through which we receive a sacrament, or repent, or supplicate, or adore. And it enables us to do these things best — if you like, it “works” best — when, through familiarity, we don’t have to think about it. As long as you notice, and have to count, the steps, you are not yet dancing but only learning to dance. A good shoe is a shoe you don’t notice. Good reading becomes possible when you need not consciously think about eyes, or light, or print, or spelling. The perfect church service would be one we were almost unaware of; our attention would have been on God.

I used to Methodist before adopting a Calvinist position. So for me it was the other way around – my former minister was female. Then by grace I found the Presbyterian church (one of its more conservative denominations). I can attest that no other place do you really feel the power of God in the room quite like you will at a good Presbyterian service.

I’d have to say I found my experience with Presbyterian services to be quite nap-friendly. There’s a reason y’all are called the Frozen Chosen!

I’ve actually known some Catholic priests (both my undergrad and law schools were Catholic) & boy personally they just don’t seem like very happy people. I’m not making a broad statement because obviously who can in this regard. However, they drank too much, they seemed depressed quite frankly, and that sort of self doubt is just very rare among Calvinists.

What makes you think they had self-doubt? Because they seemed depressed? Granted, there are some grumpy priests but I promise they’re not all like that!

After all we have no doubt in our election. I know there is not a single thing in all of creation that can separate me from the love of God, what a wonderful thing.

We make the good news even better!

If you say so…

 

[Hajnalcsillag]

I’d have to say I found my experience with Presbyterian services to be quite nap-friendly. There’s a reason y’all are called the Frozen Chosen!

I thought it was because there are a lot in Minnesota.

 

[sola_scriptura]

I’d have to say I found my experience with Presbyterian services to be quite nap-friendly. There’s a reason y’all are called the Frozen Chosen!

I thought it was Episcopalians who are the “frozen chosen”

I remember being at the VA Hosp. one day for a doctors appointment (this is probably over a year ago) and I watched a function with Clinton, old man Bush, and Jimmy Carter where Clinton joked about George Bush (the smart one) and used the term “frozen chosen” (of course old man Bush is an Episcopalian, being he’s the real McCoy blue blood and all).

 

[sola_scriptura]

I thought it was because there are a lot in Minnesota.

I always laugh when Jesse Ventura says Minnesotaaaaa

 

[emeraldcoast]

You’re a female!!! …Good to know! Thanks for sharing.

Oh sorry that I missed this earlier. Yes, I am adult Christian female. From what I gather from your post is that you are a teenager, correct? I know that we do have a couple teenagers that do post a lot on this forum.

God Bless!

 

[Pixie_Dust]

I thought it was Episcopalians who are the “frozen chosen”

I remember being at the VA Hosp. one day for a doctors appointment (this is probably over a year ago) and I watched a function with Clinton, old man Bush, and Jimmy Carter where Clinton joked about George Bush (the smart one) and used the term “frozen chosen” (of course old man Bush is an Episcopalian, being he’s the real McCoy blue blood and all).

Perhaps a poll is in order. I’ve only ever heard it in reference to Calvinists and/or Presbyterians.

 

[emeraldcoast]

I thought it was Episcopalians who are the “frozen chosen”

I remember being at the VA Hosp. one day for a doctors appointment (this is probably over a year ago) and I watched a function with Clinton, old man Bush, and Jimmy Carter where Clinton joked about George Bush (the smart one) and used the term “frozen chosen” (of course old man Bush is an Episcopalian, being he’s the real McCoy blue blood and all).

Hey watch it, sola! We are the “happy chosen”…

 

[Pixie_Dust]

I thought it was because there are a lot in Minnesota.

Hmmm, if a Minnesota Calvinist moves to southern Florida, are they still “Frozen” or do they thaw in the sunshine?

 

[Hajnalcsillag]

Hmmm, if a Minnesota Calvinist moves to southern Florida, are they still “Frozen” or do they thaw in the sunshine?

My wife’s uncle is a Chosin Reservoir vet who lives in Ohio. If he moved to Florida, would he still be a Frozen Chosin?

(For those unfamiliar with it, do a quick history search on that campaign. I once asked him if the stories of the thermometers that go down to -100 degrees breaking due to the cold were true, and he said, “Well, the lowest I ever saw was 95 below, so I don’t remember any breaking”.)

 

[emeraldcoast]

My wife’s uncle is a Chosin Reservoir vet who lives in Ohio. If he moved to Florida, would he still be a Frozen Chosin?

(For those unfamiliar with it, do a quick history search on that campaign. I once asked him if the stories of the thermometers that go down to -100 degrees breaking due to the cold were true, and he said, “Well, the lowest I ever saw was 95 below, so I don’t remember any breaking”.)

Snowbird Chosin or Defrosted Chosin