I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

[pegging]

Ag not…sorry I do not know how to do the quote feature yet…
I read your story, and realized that you are quite new to all of this. I hope you are not too overwhelmed by all of the back and forth. A few thoughts that helped me overcome my many objections to the faith. When I realized that we RC’s honor Mary because Jesus honored her, that helped. It is one of the 10 Commandments, honor your mother and father…makes good sense. Another…I ask my family and friends to pray for me…why not my family and friends in the Heavens. Jesus promised to not leave us orphans, to be with us always…the Church he established would never be (I can’t think of the verse exactly) lost. He would send the Holy Spirit to be the guide, through His church, to lead us to all truth. I don’t have to be the authority on anything. I don’t have to figure out anything. The Church will lead. I follow. Simple. Maybe I am a “simple” person, but I have tried figuring out everything myself, and it doesn’t work too well.
Follow your Mother, as another poster said, do whatever He tells you.
Peace.

 

[emeraldcoast]

I WAS going to reply with a cutting swipe of sarcastic wit but ACTUALLY, I know nothing

Truely, I know absolutely nothing.

That’s why Im not burdened with the self imposed responsibility to lead Catholics away from the one true Church founded on Christ using errant logic, misguided studies, and syrupy rhetoric that sounds sweet but gives you earache after a bit; like some people here

And what a relief it is too, I can tell ya

Burden? Did you not read earlier about works for salvation? Talk about a burden. If I followed that idea, I would find myself staying up all night with such a burden on my heart thinking if I have done enough good works for my salvation. Please think about this…

God Bless!

 

[Wonderboo]

The Church doesn’t have the authority to ordain women as priests.

Why not?

 

[emeraldcoast]

Why not?

Come on, don’t you know that the Pope said so. It was all over the news…

 

[Wonderboo]

Come on, don’t you know that the Pope said so. It was all over the news…

So if the Pope said that the sky was green and cows go oink would that be true?
Alright I kid but the question still stands…why?

 

[steve_b]

God does not do anything arbitrarily or capriciously I agree – however, I reject the idea of foreseen faith as forming the basis for election.

If I left that impression of election then I wasn’t clear.

Sola:

It winds up saying God only does what He knows He is going to do because He knows He’s going to do it (try saying that ten times ).

You lost me.

So reversing your statement, God doesn’t do what He knows He’s not going to do because He doesn’t know He’s not going to do it? :doh2:

Just having fun

Sola:

There’s a variety of theories on this, including some pretty interesting ones on the Catholic side (perhaps the most elaborate is Molinism, which many protestants agree with, authored by the 16th century Jesuit Luis Molina of Spain).

However, after examining all of these soteriological theories and matching them against both scripture and logic ***I must firmly agree with Calvin. ***

Then you probably agree with TULIP

catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9309fea1.asp

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Burden? Did you not read earlier about works for salvation? Talk about a burden. If I followed that idea, I would find myself staying up all night with such a burden on my heart thinking if I have done enough good works for my salvation. Please think about this…

God Bless!

If you have done everything God asked you to do for Him that day, you can rest well. It’s not nearly so complicated or burdensome as you might think.

Matthew 11:29-30 - Take up my yoke upon you, and learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: and you shall find rest to your souls.
For my yoke is sweet and my burden light.

 

[Ag_not]

Thank you pegging. That’s pretty much what Im doing. I have read voraciously over the past weeks and hit turbo drive in the last 5 days - but it boils down to what you say - faith in the one true church, and obedience to her.
I think more than anything that is the central issue with all these guys that like to think they sound good spouting reems and reems of scripture - they cannot and will not submit to authority. Not the the Authority of the Church. They’ll say Jesus is my authority - soooooo easy !!! And in some ways thats the biggest ask of the Church. To submit to her leadership and trust in her judgement and adhere to her teachings and obligations - and Jesus promised the gates of hell will never prevail against her.

See, I can see so easily how much easier a religious life it is to lead to read the Bible whenever, say a prayer, listen to a preacher for an hour every now and then, and believe thats all you gotta do as youre saved baby !!! Instead of preparing for confirmation, fasting, preparing weekly for confession, the act of confessing to a priest, doing penance, going to mass weekly if not daily, doing good works, receiving the Holy Eucharist, performing a daily examination of conscience and act of contrition, making time to pray the rosary daily, morning and evening prayer, daily reading of the Bible… oh yeah, thats far to much like hard work. twist the Bible, say Jesus is my Lord and Saviour - and Ker Pow !!! Youre sorted out till judgement day.

Actually Im starting to think its just laziness - pure and simple

 

[steve_b]

Heres a really bad pic of the cross I was referring to. It looks a bit different to other cross’s Ive seen. There seems to be lettering around the plate at the back of Christs head but its way to tiny and worn to be able to read.
My camera doesnt want to play tonight for some reason - I cant get the closeup in focus.

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It looks like a St Benedict crucifix

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Why not?

CCC #1577 “Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination.” The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ’s return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.

1578 No one has a right to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Indeed no one claims this office for himself; he is called to it by God. Anyone who thinks he recognizes the signs of God’s call to the ordained ministry must humbly submit his desire to the authority of the Church, who has the responsibility and right to call someone to receive orders. Like every grace this sacrament can be received only as an unmerited gift.

 

[Ag_not]

Burden? Did you not read earlier about works for salvation? Talk about a burden. If I followed that idea, I would find myself staying up all night with such a burden on my heart thinking if I have done enough good works for my salvation. Please think about this…

God Bless!

MUST :hammering:

WORK :hammering:

HARDER :hammering:

MUST :hammering:

WORK :hammering:

HARDER :hammering:

:stretcher:

:coolinoff:

 

[Wonderboo]

CCC #1577 “Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination.” The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry. The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ’s return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.

1578 No one has a right to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Indeed no one claims this office for himself; he is called to it by God. Anyone who thinks he recognizes the signs of God’s call to the ordained ministry must humbly submit his desire to the authority of the Church, who has the responsibility and right to call someone to receive orders. Like every grace this sacrament can be received only as an unmerited gift.

I get it but my question is why…why is that the case (and yes, its important to know why)

 

[Richard_Abanes]

**AG: **And in some ways thats the biggest ask of the Church. To submit to her leadership and trust in her judgment and adhere to her teachings and obligations - and Jesus promised the gates of hell will never prevail against her.

RA: I’ve got a tape recording of David Koresh saying just about this same thing. Hmmm. Interesting.

RA

 

[Wonderboo]

Further, at best all you have is why women shouldn’t be bishops, fine why can’t I be a priest?

 

[Ag_not]

I’ve got a tape recording of David Koresh saying just about this same thing. Hmmm. Interesting.

RA

AWWW Shoot

You got me - :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I’m David Koresh :banghead:

Oh, I HATE when that happens

 

[sola_scriptura]

I WAS going to reply with a cutting swipe of sarcastic wit but ACTUALLY, I know nothing

Truely, I know absolutely nothing.

That’s why Im not burdened with the self imposed responsibility to lead Catholics away from the one true Church founded on Christ using errant logic, misguided studies, and syrupy rhetoric that sounds sweet but gives you earache after a bit; like some people here

And what a relief it is too, I can tell ya

The one true church? That’s an interesting statement – can you prove why I should believe it?

Some might say you only get an earache from hearing the word of God if you have ears that weren’t designed to hear it?

 

[Richard_Abanes]

**W: **Further, at best all you have is why women shouldn’t be bishops, fine why can’t I be a priest?

RA: If you live long enough you will be able to be a priest, prolly. Things tend to change in the RCC whenever its needed. That’s the convenient thing about man-made dogmas – just change them when needed.

Ahhh, I can still remember being faithful and obedient to the church that told me not to eat meat on Fridays or else I’d be in sin. Those were the good old days.

Funny thing was that God was already saying to me, “Hey, my child, that’s whack. I couldn’t care less about you eating meat on Friday.” Guess God was right all along – wow!!!:clapping:

Seriously folks, I do applaud your stickiness and willingness to obey others sinners just like you (and boy, that sure can be demonstrated over 2,000 years). But I’ll have to go with Jesus.

R.A

 

[Ag_not]

The one true church? That’s an interesting statement – can you prove why I should believe it?

No problem.

Go back over the 123,987,578,289,000 posts, most of them addressed to answering your questions, and reread them without Lorraine Boetner sitting on your lap

 

[sola_scriptura]

Further, at best all you have is why women shouldn’t be bishops, fine why can’t I be a priest?

Women may not occupy a pastoral role, Paul is very clear on this issue. Scripture is not the Constitution, and the kingdom of God is not a democracy, it’s a monarchy.

 

[Richard_Abanes]

**AG: **twist the Bible, say Jesus is my Lord and Saviour - and Ker Pow !!! Youre sorted out till judgement day.

RA: I think that has got to be the most perverted, grossly skewed, infantile, ignorant explanation of salvation by grace alone through faith alone I’ve ever heard. I don’t think I could have deliberately constructed one so bad. Shows me a lot. If I thought that’s what Protestants believed, I’d probably be a RC, too. Hmm. Too bad.

RA