I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

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thankfully I’m no where near old enough to consider Florida, but I do have a job offer for a government gig in DC (I’m getting closer, but I’m an upstate New Yorker for now and will always be a Giants fan).

Anyway, I confirmed that Clinton did make the remark referencing Episcopalians, but it’s also used in reference to Presbyterians.

The frozen chosen? Come join us in the igloo? šŸ‘

I guess there’s no place further from the fires of hell than our igloo?
 
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thankfully I’m no where near old enough to consider Florida, but I do have a job offer for a government gig in DC (I’m getting closer, but I’m an upstate New Yorker for now and will always be a Giants fan).

Anyway, I confirmed that Clinton did make the remark referencing Episcopalians, but it’s also used in reference to Presbyterians.

The frozen chosen? Come join us in the igloo? šŸ‘

I guess there’s no place further from the fires of hell than our igloo?
The Igloo is in Pittsburgh. The ironic thing is that if I had to choose an American city closer to hell than Pittsburgh…

(Anyone who’s ever tried to drive the roads out there knows what I’m talking about. ā€œWait, I turned onto a side street and now I’m going across one of the rivers on a bridge?ā€ A close second would be Muncie, IN, where they don’t believe in labeling roads.)
 
May I suggest you attend RCIA. It’s much more ecumenical and you will have all of your questions answered. No one expects you to convert. Some people take years before they decide. At least you will get to see it for yourself. You will find the Church full of sinful people. We’re not perfect, but the Christ is and we have opportunity to perfect our ways as we learn more about Him with each new step on our journey.

Pick up a CCC or just use the one on www.usccb.org. As far as scripture goes, try finding the KJV 1611 edition. You might be surprised to find that the original KJV contains the deuterocanonical books or what Protestants call the apocrypha. I was surprised to learn this as well. I bought one from Barns and Nobles, but it was a later edition where those books had finally been pushed towards an appendix and eventually they were eliminated completely. Also, look at the Orthodox Church as well. I found my journey back to Catholicism enriched by learning about Orthodoxy. If I were ever to leave it would only be towards Orhtodoxy.

Also, suggested reading…St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnians, all of it over and over. Also read the writings of Iraneus, Clement of Rome, Polycarp…just read the Church fathers, also available online for free. I found a site by Googling ā€œearly christian documentsā€ while trying to find Gnostic Gospels and stuff that I didn’t realize existed and were even translated. Blew me and my wife away. It was an answer to my prayer and I learned about it while practicing a non-denominational faith.

We all Catholic now. My initial objections were Church authority, papacy, Maran doctrine, praying to Saints in Heaven and for the dead. Infallibacy was also in that list and of course the ever scandalous Immaculate Conception. But once you did into it and see the doctrines for yourself and study a bit of theology it all begins to makes since. BY allowing the Holy Spirit to work in your life you will go places you never thought possible. The main thing that made me realize the truth was John 6 and the Didache’s example of a valid baptism other than by complete submergence. Also infant baptism didn’t make sense to me at first, even though I had been baptized Catholic. Long story. Many of the folks responding are not only Protestant but also formerly Catholic. Those folks are the ones that missed the memo on what happen after VCII…lots of heresy running ammuck as men and womn tried to hijack the faith. Ultimately a new ecclesial community was formed…actually several sects. People with their own agendas are what have made the Catholic Church looks so foolish. The Church itself is great. The teachings are solid. It’s the misinterpretation of it and the misrepresentation of it that has done it so much harm and caused so many to reject it or to fall away from it.

Thought this might be helpful.

PAX.
 
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thankfully I’m no where near old enough to consider Florida, but I do have a job offer for a government gig in DC (I’m getting closer, but I’m an upstate New Yorker for now and will always be a Giants fan).

Anyway, I confirmed that Clinton did make the remark referencing Episcopalians, but it’s also used in reference to Presbyterians.

The frozen chosen? Come join us in the igloo? šŸ‘

I guess there’s no place further from the fires of hell than our igloo?
You might want to rethink Florida for tax purposes and the sun always shines in Florida-- You know ā€œThe Sunshine Stateā€ā€¦
 
Florida for tax purposes? When I lived there, a co-worker almost lost his house from flood insurance and taxes sky rocketing from what I understand. Never owned a house there so I’m not positive. I live in Oklahoma, everything is cheap here and the summers are long and hot and the winters are short and cold.
 
You might want to rethink Florida for tax purposes and the sun always shines in Florida-- You know ā€œThe Sunshine Stateā€ā€¦
Yes, and the air always condenses and pours out rain in front of you in Florida as well.

I’ve got a better idea for a slogan. ā€œFlorida: Witness meteorological patterns before your very eyes!ā€
 
You might want to rethink Florida for tax purposes and the sun always shines in Florida-- You know ā€œThe Sunshine Stateā€ā€¦
My Dad already lives down there (outside of Tampa). It’s fully of either dumb red necks or people waiting to die. What’s the joke … God’s waiting room? šŸ™‚

Don’t get me wrong, upstate NY isn’t exactly ivy league Connecticut but boy when I was in Florida (actually I’ve been down there a bunch of times) like half of the people under 50 seemed like toothless meth addicted white trailer trash, or gang bangers. Nice mix :eek:

I’d have to start dating girls who are either old enough to be my grandmother or need like 5 grand in dental work (and a good rehab). 😃
 
Florida for tax purposes? When I lived there, a co-worker almost lost his house from flood insurance and taxes sky rocketing from what I understand. Never owned a house there so I’m not positive. I live in Oklahoma, everything is cheap here and the summers are long and hot and the winters are short and cold.
No State Income Tax – this is a big deal especially comparing it to DC, Virginia, Maryland or New York.

You forgot to mention the lovely tornados in Oklahoma.
 
My Dad already lives down there (outside of Tampa). It’s fully of either dumb red necks or people waiting to die. What’s the joke … God’s waiting room? šŸ™‚

Don’t get me wrong, upstate NY isn’t exactly ivy league Connecticut but boy when I was in Florida (actually I’ve been down there a bunch of times) like half of the people under 50 seemed like toothless meth addicted white trailer trash, or gang bangers. Nice mix :eek:

I’d have to start dating girls who are either old enough to be my grandmother or need like 5 grand in dental work (and a good rehab). 😃
That is it!!! Now you are on my list!!!šŸ˜›
 
Since grace, faith, and works have been bandied about here I wanted to post a section from the Council of Orange (I could post more from it, but won’t because of space considerations):

THE COUNCIL OF ORANGE

The Council of Orange dealt with a revived form of Pelagian thinking often called Semi-Pelagianism that the human race, though fallen and possessed of a sinful nature, is still ā€œgoodā€ enough to able to lay hold of the grace of God through an act of unredeemed human will. For the Semi-Pelagians, human beings can take the first steps toward salvation without grace.

The Council clearly reject this view and teaches that grace precedes and enables any step we can possibly take toward God. Yet it also rejects the view of the extreme Augustinians that God could possibly will the damnation of some. It affirms that God wants all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.

crossroadsinitiative.com/library_author/82/Council__of_Orange.html

That was a brief introduction, here are the canons:

THE CANONS OF THE COUNCIL OF ORANGE (529 AD)

CANON 3. If anyone says that the grace of God can be conferred as a result of human prayer, but that it is not grace itself which makes us pray to God, he contradicts the prophet Isaiah, or the Apostle who says the same thing, ā€œI have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for meā€ (Rom 10:20 , quoting Isa. 65:1).

CANON 4. If anyone maintains that God awaits our will to be cleansed from sin, but does not confess that even our will to be cleansed comes to us through the infusion and working of the Holy Spirit, he resists the Holy Spirit himself who says through Solomon, ā€œThe will is prepared by the Lordā€ ( Prov. 8:35 , LXX ), and the salutary word of the Apostle, ā€œFor God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasureā€ ( Phil. 2:13).

CANON 5. If anyone says that not only the increase of faith but also its beginning and the very desire for faith, by which we believe in Him who justifies the ungodly and comes to the regeneration of holy baptism – if anyone says that this belongs to us by nature and not by a gift of grace, that is, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit amending our will and turning it from unbelief to faith and from godlessness to godliness, it is proof that he is opposed to the teaching of the Apostles, for blessed Paul says, ā€œAnd I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christā€ ( Phil. 1:6 ). And again, ā€œFor by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of Godā€ ( Eph. 2:8). For those who state that the faith by which we believe in God is natural make all who are separated from the Church of Christ by definition in some measure believers.

CANON 6. If anyone says that God has mercy upon us when, apart from his grace, we believe, will, desire, strive, labor, pray, watch, study, seek, ask, or knock, but does not confess that it is by the infusion and inspiration of the Holy Spirit within us that we have the faith, the will, or the strength to do all these things as we ought; or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, ā€œWhat have you that you did not receive?ā€ ( 1 Cor. 4:7 ), and, ā€œBut by the grace of God I am what I amā€ ( 1 Cor. 15:10).
 
Oh sorry that I missed this earlier. Yes, I am adult Christian female. From what I gather from your post is that you are a teenager, correct? I know that we do have a couple teenagers that do post a lot on this forum.

God Bless!
Ha! You flatter me. kiss Still on my phone. Is everybody waiting for my correction?
 
Since grace, faith, and works have been bandied about here I wanted to post a section from the Council of Orange (I could post more from it, but won’t because of space considerations):

THE COUNCIL OF ORANGE

The Council of Orange dealt with a revived form of Pelagian thinking often called Semi-Pelagianism that the human race, though fallen and possessed of a sinful nature, is still ā€œgoodā€ enough to able to lay hold of the grace of God through an act of unredeemed human will. For the Semi-Pelagians, human beings can take the first steps toward salvation without grace.

The Council clearly reject this view and teaches that grace precedes and enables any step we can possibly take toward God. Yet it also rejects the view of the extreme Augustinians that God could possibly will the damnation of some. It affirms that God wants all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth.

crossroadsinitiative.com/library_author/82/Council__of_Orange.html

That was a brief introduction, here are the canons:

THE CANONS OF THE COUNCIL OF ORANGE (529 AD)

CANON 3. If anyone says that the grace of God can be conferred as a result of human prayer, but that it is not grace itself which makes us pray to God, he contradicts the prophet Isaiah, or the Apostle who says the same thing, ā€œI have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for meā€ (Rom 10:20 , quoting Isa. 65:1).

CANON 4. If anyone maintains that God awaits our will to be cleansed from sin, but does not confess that even our will to be cleansed comes to us through the infusion and working of the Holy Spirit, he resists the Holy Spirit himself who says through Solomon, ā€œThe will is prepared by the Lordā€ ( Prov. 8:35 , LXX ), and the salutary word of the Apostle, ā€œFor God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasureā€ ( Phil. 2:13).

CANON 5. If anyone says that not only the increase of faith but also its beginning and the very desire for faith, by which we believe in Him who justifies the ungodly and comes to the regeneration of holy baptism – if anyone says that this belongs to us by nature and not by a gift of grace, that is, by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit amending our will and turning it from unbelief to faith and from godlessness to godliness, it is proof that he is opposed to the teaching of the Apostles, for blessed Paul says, ā€œAnd I am sure that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christā€ ( Phil. 1:6 ). And again, ā€œFor by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of Godā€ ( Eph. 2:8). For those who state that the faith by which we believe in God is natural make all who are separated from the Church of Christ by definition in some measure believers.

CANON 6. If anyone says that God has mercy upon us when, apart from his grace, we believe, will, desire, strive, labor, pray, watch, study, seek, ask, or knock, but does not confess that it is by the infusion and inspiration of the Holy Spirit within us that we have the faith, the will, or the strength to do all these things as we ought; or if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, ā€œWhat have you that you did not receive?ā€ ( 1 Cor. 4:7 ), and, ā€œBut by the grace of God I am what I amā€ ( 1 Cor. 15:10).
Oh oh – the orange men … I wanna see a good Irish show down:D
 
I also have all my teeth, thank youā€¦šŸ˜‰
that’s because you have a great dental plan:thumbsup:

Hey, the beach is nice down there! If it only had an economy the white trash wouldn’t even bother me much (at least it’s a source of cheap labor … they could rake my sand garden).
 
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thankfully I’m no where near old enough to consider Florida, but I do have a job offer for a government gig in DC (I’m getting closer, but I’m an upstate New Yorker for now and will always be a Giants fan).
I was in Crown Point over the summer. It’s lovely up there, but I’ve never gotten to see it in the winter.
Anyway, I confirmed that Clinton did make the remark referencing Episcopalians, but it’s also used in reference to Presbyterians.
Well, Clinton is certainly not the brightest crayon in the box, especially in matters of faith and religion, so I wouldn’t take him very seriously. I regularly converse with people from various denominations on the Sonlight homeschool forums, and while I frequently hear the Presbys refer to themselves that way, I’ve never, ever heard it said of the Episcopalians.
The frozen chosen? Come join us in the igloo? šŸ‘
I guess there’s no place further from the fires of hell than our igloo?
:winter: I absolutely hate to be cold, so I think I’d rather stay warm in the light of Christ. šŸ™‚
 
The Igloo is in Pittsburgh. The ironic thing is that if I had to choose an American city closer to hell than Pittsburgh…

(Anyone who’s ever tried to drive the roads out there knows what I’m talking about. ā€œWait, I turned onto a side street and now I’m going across one of the rivers on a bridge?ā€
I mentioned I visited Pittsburgh - I was very glad when I got there that I’d opted to fly instead of drive! :eek:
A close second would be Muncie, IN, where they don’t believe in labeling roads.)
They’re mostly labeled! :cool: Just always seems like the road you happen to be looking for isn’t, doesn’t it. :rolleyes:
 
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