I’ve never seen a plausible teaching for purgatory in the scripture. Where do you see it?
Ask yourself, will each of these scenerios result in the soul going to hell? It’s for sure they aren’t going with a straight shot to heaven.
I tell you, on the day of judgment men will render account for *every *careless word they utter.
Mt 12:36
2 Cor. 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to
what he has done in the body.
1 Peter 1:15-1715 but as he who called you is holy, be holy yourselves in all your conduct; 16 since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” 17 And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially
according to his deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile.
Revelation 20:12-13 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by** what they had done**.
12: Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw – 13: each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14: If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15: If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer
[zēmioō Greek, will be punished loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. [1 Cor 3:…]
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Behold, I send my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts. 2: But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? "For he is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap; 3: he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD.[Malachi 3:…]
Remember Peter saying Jesus went to preach to the souls in prison immediately after His death? He preached to Those who had been disobedient since the time of Noah? Well, this wasn’t heaven because heaven isn’t prison, and it’s not hell, because the damned have no hope so there is no need to preach to them. They’ll be in hell for eternity. This is a 3rd place. A place they can get out of…eventually. But a prison just the same.
Mt. 5:22-26 22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire. 23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; 26 truly, I say to you, **you will never get out till you have paid the last penny. **
Why? Because
nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life [Rev 21:27]
They need a scrubbing first.
These are just a few passages showing that
- punishment will happen for many after death, and NOT necessarily in hell.
- purification definitely happens, because very few are perfect at death
Purgatory is real.
sand:
I can’t stop; I’m compelled to do good works
because I’ve been saved to them (Eph 2:10), and, they’re not what I’m saved by, but grace.
IOW, Good works are essential. Just see what happens If you ignore them
sand:
Good works testify to a living, saving faith (Jas 2).
IOW, good works are essential.
sand:
What do you mean?
You said, "Jesus didn’t come to make us a good person. "
How would you answer Jesus when He said
You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Mt. 5:48),
sand:
Partaking of the eucharist doesn’t save anyone, but grace through faith, and I’m not on board with your understanding of
John 6.
- Paul refutes your argument from that link.
28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died [1 Cor 11:…]
This is NOT figurative language. You don’t bring condemnation on yourself figuratively. It’s real condemnation. It’s the real deal
- I know you’re not on board with Jn 6. You’d rather argue for Protestant understanding, than be taught by the apostolic faith. Half of Jesus disciples Jn 6:66 refused to believe Jesus. Those guys even argued with Jesus to His face. Those guys left Jesus over the Eucharist never to return. You’ll notice, Jesus didn’t go after them. He didn’t explain anymore to them. He let them go. **
DANG, I keep thinking about that little blue guy, too. I’ve been ruined!!! I think every time I am confronted with a decision to sin, I’m gonna think of that little guy and imagine it’s Jesus.
Oh my, is that sinful?
