I’m sorry that you see it as us “bashing them”…but in all honesty I do think that more often it starts out that we are merely trying to educate people who are not Catholics to the reality that we do not do the things that they allege. Some people simply refuse to take the word of many Catholics when we say we do not.
I have seen the word adoration used more then veneration.
Since Catholics are out numbered 2-1 in the US I guess it’s more your problem.
You know that old thing about walking and quacking like a duck?
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Remember, to never allow people to make you angry. :tsktsk: It isn’t what happens but how you react that shows what kind of a Christian you are. 
They will know you are a Christian by your love!**I come here cause at one time I thought I’d like being in the RCC, but this place has done a opposite affect sadly.**
Hi Christian :tiphat:
I am a Catholic Knight for Christ! Called A Knight of Columbus! :knight1: I often wonder why a Protestant would come on a Catholic site to attack our beliefs in the first place. I notice you don’tt. Thank you for that. I am curious, could you share your personal purpose for visiting?
I have never ever been on a Protestant, Morman, LDS, or Buddist Site. I can tell you why. I really have no interest in what any of them do or say! :dts: However, “The best defense is a good offense” is an adage that has been applied to many fields of endeavor, including debating religion! I have a Qur’an, Book of Morman, about a dozen differrent Bibles and things written by various religious leaders. have you noticed that the common problem when discussing anything is the relative thickness of the Bozone layer?
Bozone ( n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.
bashing when we are called liers. It is like someone saying. “I know you say you don’t drink poison, but you do”! We know what it means to Worship. It is a SIN to worship anyone, any thing, BUT GOD! We do not worship Mary nor any saints. I do respect her. I pray the rosary daily. I ask her to have Jesus help me. I pray to Jesus, I pray to Blessed Mother Teresa , I pray to Saint Monica, St. Augustine. I pray to anyone I darn well want to including my biological Mother and father, may God have mercy on their loving souls!
I would never have the nerve to tell a Protestant or anyelse for that matter not to talk to their friend or relatives of theirs. How dare anyone asume they have the right to tell me what to do.
If it violates your religious beliefs. SO WHAT? Is that bashing? Am I bashing to say it is none of your business?
We tell truthfully things like all Protestants are heretics and we get accused of saying a “bad” thing,. Peoples feelings get hurt for the truth. How much more for lies, repeated over and over again?
I follow my church my religious beliefs. If they aren’t yours. I will continue to pray for your conversion. What you think ntil you finish swimming the tibet…WHO CARES?
With people like yourself that do not attack, we do not atack. After all we are christian brothers. Religiously you just have a step father, and apparently no mother
God Bless.
Same here.
And don’t forget to ask God to forgive the the “Fathers” of those babies, who have impregnated the women and encouraged them to get an abortion (if they stuck around long enough to do so) and have taken them to the clinics and paid for the abortions. They also need forgiveness and healing.
It is a charge with no basis. The Teachings are unified. The fact that some of the members do not understand them correctly, or articulate them poorly does not change the fact that they are a unity. People can be confused, but the Teaching of Jesus is not.
There is no doubt that there are many poorly catechized Catholics. The worst cases of these are those that have left the Church, and in confusion and ignorance, embraced heretical teachings. Although this may be a failure to shepherd the flock, and to teach the disciples, none of that subtracts from the fullness of the Teaching being found in complete unity in the Church.
I agree. However, failure in responsibility, just like Peter’s failure to bear witness to Christ at HIs crucifixion, does not detract from the Fullness of Christ.
A good point, however irrelevant. The teachings of Jesus are not determined by the misunderstandings of poorly catechized individuals. They are passed on and preserved through the Apostolic succession, by the power of the HS. To the extent that individual Catholics cling to the authority that Christ put in place, they will find themselves in unity with the Head, which is Christ.
This is why it was so critical to have a visible authority and point of unity.
Everyone has the freedom to limit their access and reception to the truth. If this is all you are able to embrace, God bless you.
Indeed, and which is why they warned us not to receive a “different” gospel, such as that promulgated at the Reformation.
and writes a compelling account of this part of the history of humanity. Entertain yourself with something good! /FONT]**Christian, I am truly sorry to hear that. But maybe your desire to find the true way to God and correct way to worship Him can overcome your human feelings.
As the true church we have an obligation to save as many as we can from the counterfeit and imitation religions which are less that 500 years old. Baptists are about 200 years old. There are three major divisions, about 50 sub denominations, which all disagree with each other like our traditional and non-traditional Catholics do!**The fathers also need our prayers. They also need our Love. But my heart aches physically for the poor Mothers who must bear the everlasting pain of murdering their own baby unless they ask for and accept God’s forgiveness.
ABORTION IS WRONG. BUT MANY OF THESE PROBLEMS WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE EXISTED IF THE CATHOLICS HAD ALLOWED CONTRACEPTION.
If that is the case, then I am sure it is correct. Your application of it, however, is not.
I hope that you will have the maturity to get beyond this approach.
This may well be true, but for the most part, it is done in ignorance. Not only that, most of those that venerate the Scriptures do so out of great reverence for the Holy Word of God, and this should be affirmed (because it is Catholic).
It is sacriligious to speak against those things/persons made Holy by God. Many do denigrate Mary, and this, in turn, is insulting to her Son.
She is sacred to the extent that she is set aside for a particular worshipful use. She is holy like the sacred clothing and vessels of the OT temple were holy, set aside for special purposes. SHe is sacred like the Ark of the Covenant, which held the sacred and holy objects of the faith.
I think you are using the notion of “sacred” or “holy” differently.
I would not take up their precious time. I will agree to disagree with you!You may still not agree with me.
You are in the right place. You will learn a lot here.I am only an informed pratical Catholic that desires to be correct. I do not wish to put out invalid information. The Protestants are hoping for salvation through our words. Lets not misguide them!
I can tell you, from bitter bitter experience, this is simply not true. It is one of the greatest deceits ever. I know.
Such a question presupposes that everything which is necessary is found in scripture.
Mary does not do this apart from Christ. She delivered the One who delivers the world from wrath. She participates in His ministry of deliverance.
Do you think Jesus does not allow us to participate in His mission to save people from wrath?
I think this might be true if it involved someone who was not completely devoted to Christ. As it is, Mary is the handmaid of the Lord. She always points to her Divine Son, and ever says “do whatever He tells you”. There is no way, when following someone who is totally sold out to Christ, that one can be led astray. That is why Paul says “be imitators of me, as I am of Christ”.
The Church produced the NT, ja4, and therefore, does not need to render every verse to understand it’s meaning. Your question is based on an erroneous presumption that everything pertaining to our life as Christians can be found in the bible. This is an error.
Yes, but modern Protestants can rarely be charged with heresy, since they were never taught the truth in the first place. To be a heretic, once must have embraced the Truth, then willfully reject it.
Are you trying to derail another thread?
The pope, as all faithful Catholics, embraces the Apostolic teachings. Since we know these are not limited to Scripture, you are right, there is no need to check them.
Since you read the Scriptures with your Calvanistic presuppositions, and we read them with Catholic presuppositions, it is impossible to study the scriptures together without these opposed presuppositions encountering one another.Reformed said:Michael,
I think we should try to avoid making this a Catholic debate against Calvinism. We are just Christians reading and studying Scriptures together so we can each grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ…in-spite of our presuppositions. If greater truth is found in Roman Catholicism, I would have to become Roman Catholic to the glory of God alone. On the other hand, if the solas of the Protestant Reformation is truth, then I would hope you will become a Sola Christian to the praise and glory of God alone. We are both here to glorify God and enjoy Him forever…together as Christians through studying the scriptures together.