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For the catholic church, the drawback is the lack of fellowship between catholics.
The Holy Mass is the center and summit of our fellowship! If to you the Holy Mass is not a fellowship, then I am starting to wonder who you are!
The other drawback is that most catholics do not live their faith. And I am referring to those that attend the Mass and not to those that don’t. Those that don’t are commiting a mortal sin but those that do, seem to be only sunday catholics by and large.
You know, mere personal opinions here do not hold water! Let me ask you: What is your basis for saying that “*Most Catholics do not live their faith. *”? You pretend to be a judge. Do you not know that in the eyes of God everyone who willfully go against the teachings of the Church ceases to be member of the Church? Those who willfully go against the teachings of the Church are, in the eyes of God, not Catholics! Therefore, your opinion that “most catholics do not live their faith” is false because those who *do not live the Catholic faith *are not Catholics!
 
The Holy Mass is the center and summit of our fellowship! If to you the Holy Mass is not a fellowship, then I am starting to wonder who you are!

You know, mere personal opinions here do not hold water! Let me ask you: What is your basis for saying that “*Most Catholics do not live their faith. *”? You pretend to be a judge. Do you not know that in the eyes of God everyone who willfully go against the teachings of the Church ceases to be member of the Church? Those who willfully go against the teachings of the Church are, in the eyes of God, not Catholics! Therefore, your opinion that “most catholics do not live their faith” is false because those who *do not live the Catholic faith *are not Catholics!
Most Mormons don’t live their faith either. The Mormons claim 13 million members, but only about four million are active. Even fewer hold temple recommends. Here in the South Bend area there are twice as many inactive Mormons as there are active Mormons. In many Latin American countries only 10-15 percent of the people Mormons claim as members are active members.
 
The Holy Mass is the center and summit of our fellowship! If to you the Holy Mass is not a fellowship, then I am starting to wonder who you are!

You know, mere personal opinions here do not hold water! Let me ask you: What is your basis for saying that "Most Catholics do not live their faith. "? You pretend to be a judge. !
I would like to know the basis for this also.

As to wondering who he is if you read his posts it’s quite obvious who he is. And the latest thread he started was at least straight up in it’s intention with out the pretending seen in others. It’s not a judge he pretends to be.
 
Hello Brother Dorsey and Welcome to CAF!

I wanted to share with you something that happened just this week. My 9-year old son was waiting on our porch for the school bus and yelled into the house, “Mom! The Mormons are coming!” I laughed and went to the door to see what he was talking about. When I asked him what made him think ‘the Mormons are coming’ he said there was a man down the street in a white shirt and black suit and tie walking up to someone’s door. I laughed when I looked outside and saw a neighbor dressed for his office job walking into his house. 😃 We’ve had several visits before and I guess our son is on the lookout.

Peace be with you,

Kelly
 
I would like to know the basis for this also…
Yeah! So let us wait for " Why Me" to make the answer…
As to wondering who he is if you read his posts it’s quite obvious who he is. And the latest thread he started was at least straight up in it’s intention with out the pretending seen in others. It’s not a judge he pretends to be.
When he says" most catholics do not live their faith", to you it is not an act of judging…Think again about it,.,.,
 
Yeah! So let us wait for " Why Me" to make the answer…

When he says" most catholics do not live their faith", to you it is not an act of judging…Think again about it,.,.,
Yes it is an act of judging so he is not **pretending ** to be a judge, but he does pretend.
 
The idea that Catholics “don’t live their faith …” is an old saw consistently repeated by anyone who wants to impugn the integrity of the Church. Remember, the Church is sacrosanct, it is a pure and wholesome body protected in essence by Christ. The difference is that its members, individually, being human, are subject to sin. A pope or cardinal is just a man; and any leader is subject to sin, even Mormon ones. Look deeply enough, you’ll probably find all sorts of wickedness committed in the name of both the Roman Catholic and Mormon Churches by its popes and First Presidency. I’m sure Hinckley was no saint, even though he was supposedly a prophet. But what essentially is a prophet? It is not someone able to predict the future but in the traditional sense someone who calls the sinner back to repentance and right living. Any mother could be defined that way for all the justified “nagging” they dish out.

In the eighties there was a major forgery scandal, where Mark Hofmann, a fellow who duped the Mormon Church with forgeries of letters, supposed books, and other items of value to Church History, “proving” them right, ended in murder by bombing. At that time, Hinckley, and other members of the Mormon Hierarchy in Salt Lake City were completely taken in by this young man. Hinckley was not president nor prophet at the time. But let me ask this; if someone could be hoodwinked so thoroughly by a forgery, why would anyone consider them prophet material much later? This old coot was no prophet, he was probably senile, or like most of the older “prophets” suffering from a form of Alzheimer’s. Unfortunately, as a good Catholic, I have to take the wheat with the chaff until Christ returns to sift through it all.

As for Catholicism, look up Alexander VI, pope at about 1495 or so, give or take. He was a Borgia–'nuff said. The office of the papacy is part of the Church, and set down by Christ; the men who occupy it, however, are often corrupt and agenda driven, like all politicians; all I can say is that we’re lucky Torquemada never made it. There would have been a bloodbath. Then again, Benedict is no saint either, trying to route out supposed subversive elements. That oath applied to university teachers a few years ago was a major blunder. And I am still trying to discover where the tattoo that makes one a homosexual is located. Haven’t found it yet, some of my best friends are gay.

Anyway, I’m going into the kitchen to sift flour for fishcakes.
 
The percentage of catholics who attend Mass is quite low. I believe that in France the overwhelming majority do not attend Mass. And those that do most likely never pray the rosary or observe catholic holy days.

And I believe that this is true for most catholics. The mormons who attend church seem to live their faith. I cannot say the same for most catholics who seem to be sunday catholics or cafeteria catholics. I must admit EWTN seems to be educating the faithful quite well, but it has a long way to go.
 
Well, I can’t learn anything I need or want to know from the LDS’s. Belonging to the One True Church, all I have to do is love my neighbor as myself. .
 
The percentage of catholics who attend Mass is quite low. I believe that in France the overwhelming majority do not attend Mass. And those that do most likely never pray the rosary or observe catholic holy days.

And I believe that this is true for most catholics. The mormons who attend church seem to live their faith. I cannot say the same for most catholics who seem to be sunday catholics or cafeteria catholics. I must admit EWTN seems to be educating the faithful quite well, but it has a long way to go.
I have never seen any group of people live their faith more than the Amish. They may be anabaptists but at least their baptisms are accepted in the Catholic Church as a real baptism.

Kathie
 
The Holy Mass is the center and summit of our fellowship! If to you the Holy Mass is not a fellowship, then I am starting to wonder who you are!

You know, mere personal opinions here do not hold water! Let me ask you: What is your basis for saying that “*Most Catholics do not live their faith. *”? You pretend to be a judge. Do you not know that in the eyes of God everyone who willfully go against the teachings of the Church ceases to be member of the Church? Those who willfully go against the teachings of the Church are, in the eyes of God, not Catholics! Therefore, your opinion that “most catholics do not live their faith” is false because those who *do not live the Catholic faith *are not Catholics!
There was a report from the University of Georgetown but unfortunately I cannot cut and paste it.

Let see if this works, if it does you will need to click on the pdf format.

66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:3GSblvS6Ok0J:cara.georgetown.edu/AttendPR.pdf+percentage+of+catholics+who+attend+mass&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

I do believe that many catholics who attend mass do not have fellowship in mind. True fellowship comes outside the Mass when catholics can get together and celebrate their catholicness. This is also a part of christianity. However, you are right, Mass should be seen as not just a fellowshipping of those present but fellowshipping with christ too. There should be a community presence but is there?
 
The LDS are a very proud people.
I am not proud. I just stated my opinion. I know very well what the catechism says about morality but I have to wonder if many catholics follow it or no what it says. There is no formal sunday school in the catholic church for adults to learn their catechism. When I was a boy, catechism came right after children’s Mass. I see no such thing now. And once confirmation was made, no more need for catechism.

The mormons however have a structured sunday school for all during their sunday meetings.
 
But I know that the sciptures say "That day shall not come, unless a falling away occur first, and the man of sin is revealed, who exalts himself above all that is…
Hi Tommy,

That verse, like all of the bible passages that describe apostacy, is describing an apostacy of individuals FROM the Church, not an apostacy OF the Church.

Jesus promised that the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church (Matt 16:18), and that He would always be with the Church until the end of the world (Matt 28:20). If you think the Church disappeared from the earth for 1600+ years, then that makes Jesus out to be either a liar or incompetent.

God love you,

Paul (a former Mormon, now Catholic)
 
There is a difference in how Protestant (let’s include Mormonism in that for the sake of argument) and Catholics interact during services, especially evangelicals. Evangelicals get together over coffee donuts, bagels before services to chit chat, find out how each other’s week went. In my experience, attending Mass is far more contemplative and personal than a social thing. Catholics come maybe fifteen or ten minutes, say hello to friends, then find a pew and pray and read the missalette for the day, maybe glance at the weekly bulletin. When Mass is over, it’s pretty much out the door, no coffee and donuts or bagels and hanging around for half an hour chatting. I’ve experienced both types of things, having attended a “non-denominational” evangelical church for more than 20 yrs, while at the same time attending Mass. It was easier to develop local friendships with the evangelical milieu than the Catholic. Sad but true.

On the other hand, Catholics have a firmer grasp of dogmatic ideals, if not the minutiae, where Protestants, even reading the scripture, struggle to understand meaning and application. It isn’t laid out for a Protestant how to act here or there unless they can quote the scriptures, and often most Protestants don’t have a clue what scripture says and how to apply it. The language differential is a major problem–the King James (Authorzed) Version (KJV) is almost a foreign language–hard to translate for a person uneducated in how language works and progresses. What does “thou” mean, never mind “Hast”?

Catholics don’t depend on their own reading, they can’t, they would have the same problem. The Church’s teaching authority lays out scripture and readings at services in a far better, much more concentrated form in the pulpit than Protestants. They take a section of scripture and make up their own little argument for what it means, going back and forth between this part, that part, this quote, that quote, to make up a story and moral. Catholics have a self-contained section of scripture from Old Testament and New Testament, which for the most part brings forth the basic teaching as the Church has relied on it for ages, a fully independent guide to morals and action into which dogma is placed in context. It isn’t up to me, as a Catholic, to draw my own conclusions about what the reading says, I simply have to live up to it, make it morally and socially relevant in my life and live the life that the Church, through the call of Jesus Christ, calls me to live as vocation, or at least spiritually since not all have been called to vocation, either religious or secular.
 
This thread has been going on and on and on about LDS beliefs, for and against. Now I have a question to pose to Mormons that all Catholics would have about something that probably disturbes Catholics and (to be honest) often puzzles me. Why do you have such a problem with the display of a cross, with or without a corpus?

For us, it has a significant meaning because it is where Jesus achieved our salvation. It helps me in particular to meditate upon the fact that he wants us all to carry our particular crosses and grow in grace. As a result, we learn to love and sacrifice better. Thus, we grow in virtue. We all need symbols in our lives as a way to learn to live like Jesus lived, why should the cross be excluded. Yes, there are many pictures of Jesus both before and after the Resurection to meditate upon. But why should we skip over the cross just because it is sometimes difficult to look at (like in Mel Gibson’s movie)?

When it occured to me to ask this question, I did a brief web search to find an appropriate Catholic site to help me pose my question. Please go to it and please explain the Mormon perspective on this confusing question. :confused:

davidmacd.com/catholic/why_portray_jesus_on_a_cross.htm

Kathy
 
I am not proud. I just stated my opinion. I know very well what the catechism says about morality but I have to wonder if many catholics follow it or no what it says. There is no formal sunday school in the catholic church for adults to learn their catechism. When I was a boy, catechism came right after children’s Mass. I see no such thing now. And once confirmation was made, no more need for catechism.

The mormons however have a structured sunday school for all during their sunday meetings.
Wherein they perhaps learn a great deal about a false religion. To me its’ kinda like knowing a lot about Oz or Narnia or the World of Warcraft. Interesting, but nothing that is going to save your soul or get you to heaven, except by the merits of the Catholic Church(if you’re very lucky) Catholicism is the real thing, mormonism is a very cheap imitation.
 
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