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He also said that the moon’s inhabited by Quakers.
Hi, i recently read about this. just to be accurate, according to my own reading, it was Joseph Smith Sr, the father of prophet who said this about the moon. I think it was part of a patriarchical blwessing that the person recieving the blessing would someday preachto men on the moon.

However, the record on this is very thin, only one witness reported it, so it may not have much truth to it, or be much more than the thought of an old man who was a failure in life and then found himself put into an important position in the new fchurch.
 
I did say “in general”. No, that is not an LDS teaching.

zerinus
Lets not kid each other. I have a copy of the First Presidencies General hand book of Instructions. In it they make it very clear there is no disciplinary action for using birth control even abortifacient birth control. However if you drink coffee you cannot go to the LDS Temple etc. For verification of this fact please call the office of the LDS First Presidency at 18012401000
 
Lets not kid each other. I have a copy of the First Presidencies General hand book of Instructions. In it they make it very clear there is no disciplinary action for using birth control even abortifacient birth control. However if you drink coffee you cannot go to the LDS Temple etc. For verification of this fact please call the office of the LDS First Presidency at 18012401000
Is the handbook you speak of official LDS, or one of the offshoots I’ve read about?
 
Hi, i recently read about this. just to be accurate, according to my own reading, it was Joseph Smith Sr, the father of prophet who said this about the moon. I think it was part of a patriarchical blwessing that the person recieving the blessing would someday preachto men on the moon.

However, the record on this is very thin, only one witness reported it, so it may not have much truth to it, or be much more than the thought of an old man who was a failure in life and then found himself put into an important position in the new fchurch.
Nope, it was Jospeh Smith, Jr., the Prophet, who said that. Brigham Young said:

“The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the
inhabitants of the earth, being six feet in height. They dress very much
like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or fashion of
dress. They live to be very old; coming generally near a thousand years.
This is the description of them as given by Joseph [Smith] the Seer, and
he could see whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see”

If you check the JoD, you’ll also see that Brigham Young claimed that the sun is inhabited too.
 
Nope, it was Jospeh Smith, Jr., the Prophet, who said that. Brigham Young said:

“The inhabitants of the moon are more of a uniform size than the
inhabitants of the earth, being six feet in height. They dress very much
like the Quaker style and are quite general in style or fashion of
dress. They live to be very old; coming generally near a thousand years.
This is the description of them as given by Joseph [Smith] the Seer, and
he could see whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see”

If you check the JoD, you’ll also see that Brigham Young claimed that the sun is inhabited too.
I never knew that, I am at a loss to understand why anyone would believe that or take it serious! When you first posted that I thought it was a joke and laughed .
 
Is the handbook you speak of official LDS, or one of the offshoots I’ve read about?
Check it out tomorrow call the LDS Presidents office 18012401000 Ask them about birth control, abortion, coffee, disciplinary action (their words) and yes I have their book even though it is forbidden. As for offshoots I think someone is pulling your leg there…
 
**Hello…I am a former RC, I was raised RC, I attended Catholic private schools etc., I converted to LDS 28 years ago when I was 21 years old. I am here because of the intense interest of the LDS church recently in the media. I am not here to convert anyone, challenge anyones faith, or cause contention. I am here to honestly answer questions about my faith and I hope to learn more about the RC faith. (I have forgotten so much). I am happily married with 6 children and am very active in my church. I never served a mission, nor have I ever been married to more than one women…at a time. 😃 . I will absolutely respect your faith as my mother and siblings are all faithful RC’s and we get along great. Please respect me and mine and don’t try to “convert” me as my testimony of LDS doctrine is as iron. Hope we have some fun and learn a lot from eachother…or agree to disagree!😉 **
Hi, I am a former mormon. I was raised mormon. Attended seminary every day, 3 hours of church on Sunday, primary on Thursdays (pre-block sched.), YW on Tuesdays. President of my YW Laurels class, etc. I am in the process of converting to RC, will be baptized at the Easter Vigil. I am here because I wanted to learn more about the RC church, and I found, to my surprise, mormons posting in the non-Catholic forum. I have found that they tend to gloss over, or outright lie, about mormon beliefs. But I have also found that these “mormons” are not like any mormons I know. The ones who hang around here all tend to have an “unorthodox” version of mormonism going on. They don’t believe basic mormon doctrine in some cases. And tell people that this doctrine doesn’t exist. Or, there are mormons who try to prove that the early Christian church was really “mormon”! So, it winds up that us former mormons have to keep things honest.Are you one these types of mormons?

Do you believe that the Roman Catholic church is in a great and universal apostasy? And why? You say you are married to one woman only. If I said to you, polygamy is immoral, do you agree? Do you believe that you can become a god?
 
I recall being in our public school and always being shown that movie about the mormons and those sea gulls…never saw a flick in our school promoting Catholicism…always wondered why?Always loved their singing of the Battle hymn of the republic.but their beiefs are really not very Christian…their practices of having more then one wife was like the book I have by Geronomo…he said the Apaches each could have three wives…all those silk stockings hanging in those teepees …I dunno!Since this is the devils world I like to judge by how the world treats different churchs…and by far the RCC is the most hated by the world as Jesus Himself predicted so I will stay RCC…must be doing something right!!!
 
Take no notice of that. It is none of his business to tell anybody where to post and where not to post. You post wherever you want to post.

zerinus
Why should he be so afraid of a Catholic website? I frequent a Mormon site quite frequently and it dosn’t change my faith one bit. In fact, the more I frequent this particular site, the more Catholic I become. In fact, if he’s interested in reading about the Catholic faith, one suggestion I would make is to read a book called A FATHER WHO KEEPS HIS PROMISES. It’s written by someone named Scott Hahn who is a convert to the Catholic Church. Or, if he’s interested in a website put together by a former Mormon. This is the website:

transporter.com/index.htm

BTW, I happen to have a bit of respect for Mormons as people because of your family loyalty. I also happen to be a long time Osmond fan. But that dosn’t mean I have to be Mormon to appreciate them as a family.

Kathy
 
I dont mind sharing our faiths with one another, and welcome to the CAF’s nice to have you. What made you leave the Roman Catholic church, and become Mormon?

Before doctrinal beliefs are started I always like to begin with the beginning of ones foundation. You likened your faith to Iron, I would liken my Roman Catholic faith to Rock, from which Iron comes from.

I find your faith interesting, because The Roman Catholic faith, cannonized the Holy bible.

Mormonism I understand found or wrote their own scriptures?

Roman Catholicism has an ordained Priesthood instituted by Jesus Christ himself, that got handed down unbroken succession by the laying on of Hands from the apostles themselves to the first church fathers, saints, martyrs down to our present Pope Benedict the 16th.

Where does your priesthood get its authority and authenticity?

When did Mormonism begin? By Whom?

The Catholic faith began with the Apostles of Jesus, when Jesus gave Peter our first pope the keys to the kingdom of God, the power to bind and loose, and power to forgive sins.

What is the purpose of your priest hood in mormonism?

Do you believe Jesus is the Word of God made flesh?

Do you believe in the true presence of Jesus Christ, if so how?

Why do you think you are not Catholic? If you were baptised Catholic, What perceptions do you have of the Catholic faith that keep you from coming back home?

Has any of your church doctrines changed since its beginning?

Has your faith made any predictions of the end times? What were they? did any of them come to pass?

Do you believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary? if so How?

Do you know of any Mormons that lived out your Mormon faith that are alive and in the presence of almighty God the creator of heaven and earth?

Does your faith community partake of the wine and bread as Jesus instructed at the last supper?

Did any of your Mormon community members practice Mormonism in the first century of the apostles?

Please dont try to define or discredit a Catholic teaching to justify your beliefs, and I wont pretend to dictate, or discredit your Mormon beliefs.

I would like to learn from your faith about Mormonism. I would like to know how far your faith has come along since its beginning, for it has been a long time since I have studied Mormonism. I am talking 1982, is it the same Mormonism since then?
 
We have nothing to learn from the neo-Origenist pastiche called Mormonism.

What you need to do is repent and come back to the real Christ, not the spirit son of a mutant on Kolob.

That’s grossly unfair to Origen 😦 who, whatever his mistakes, was always a “man of the Church” who would not for one moment have believed it needed to be “restored” - he would have been appalled at the suggestion.​

As for Kolob, it reads more convincingly backwards.
 
I find your faith interesting, because The Roman Catholic faith, cannonized the Holy bible.
Now how does that make the Mormon faith “interesting”? 😉
Mormonism I understand found or wrote their own scriptures?
No. Mormonism got its scriptures from the same source that yours came from—revelation from God.
Roman Catholicism has an ordained Priesthood instituted by Jesus Christ himself, that got handed down unbroken succession by the laying on of Hands from the apostles themselves to the first church fathers, saints, martyrs down to our present Pope Benedict the 16th.
That is how your Priesthood originally came from; but along the way it was lost through the Apostasy, and is no longer valid or acknowledged by the Lord.
Where does your priesthood get its authority and authenticity?
By revelation and ministration of angels from God, by the laying on of hands of the ancient Apostles.
When did Mormonism begin? By Whom?
Mormonism is a Restoration of the original Church of Christ in the latter days, after the original one had apostatized. It was officially organized in April 1830, by the Prophet Joseph Smith, at the commandment of the Lord.
The Catholic faith began with the Apostles of Jesus, when Jesus gave Peter our first pope the keys to the kingdom of God, the power to bind and loose, and power to forgive sins.
Those “keys of the kingdom” were lost to the Catholic Church following the Apostasy, and have now been restored by revelation and ministration of angels to the LDS Church.
What is the purpose of your priest hood in mormonism?
To speak and act with authority from God, and to administer the saving sacraments of the gospel for the salvation of mankind.
Do you believe Jesus is the Word of God made flesh?
Yes.
Do you believe in the true presence of Jesus Christ, if so how?
By His Spirit, as taught in the scriptures:

Matthew 18:

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Matthew 28:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

John 14:

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Why do you think you are not Catholic? If you were baptised Catholic, What perceptions do you have of the Catholic faith that keep you from coming back home?
I will let him answer that himself, if he wants to!
Has any of your church doctrines changed since its beginning?
A lot less than Catholic doctrine has changed.
Has your faith made any predictions of the end times? What were they? did any of them come to pass?
First off, we believe in the same predictions as are in the Bible, since the Bible is part of the scriptural canon of the LDS Church. Second, there are also predictions about the end time mentioned in modern LDS scripture, and you will find them mostly the Doctrine and Covenants; although there are also some in the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price. Third, they have not yet all been fulfilled, because we have not reached the “end” yet; but as many of them as relate to our time have been fulfilled.
Do you believe in the Blessed Virgin Mary? if so How?
Yes, we believe that she was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus Christ.
Do you know of any Mormons that lived out your Mormon faith that are alive and in the presence of almighty God the creator of heaven and earth?
Well, I haven’t seen them in heaven yet, if that is what you are asking; 🙂 but I am sure as many of them have been righteous are now in heaven.
Does your faith community partake of the wine and bread as Jesus instructed at the last supper?
Yes.
Did any of your Mormon community members practice Mormonism in the first century of the apostles?
Didn’t understand that. Please clarify.
Please dont try to define or discredit a Catholic teaching to justify your beliefs, and I wont pretend to dictate, or discredit your Mormon beliefs.
I won’t!
I would like to learn from your faith about Mormonism. I would like to know how far your faith has come along since its beginning, for it has been a long time since I have studied Mormonism. I am talking 1982, is it the same Mormonism since then?
Yes!

zerinus
 
** I never served a mission, nor have I ever been married to more than one women…at a time. **
It’s not enough to be married to one woman at a time. As you know very well (or at least you should know…) Jesus wants a married couple to be together until death. Divorces are unacceptable.

My question: As LDS you reject the Holy Trinity but how can you prove that Jesus and Holy Spirit are not Divine Persons?
 
these type threads are always so tricky.

when LDS say things like “let’s learn from each other” it usually means “I have no interest in your religion but I will pretend to to get you listen to my missionary appeal”. to the mormon mindset that is an appealing offer because they assume that you will be motivated to recruit just as they are and will jump at the chance. they then wait for their tried and true sales techniques to make it obvious who is a potential convert and then go for the close on them.

so what to do ? Jesus commands us to proclaim his gospel to all so we just can’t cynically “give up” on the mormon missionaries.

so in spite of zerinus arrogant posturing and protestations let’s see if we can’t accomplish this.

I have studied mormonism in great detail for years. I can see the gaping holes in the claims it makes that are easily refuted by science, common sense ,and in many cases my mormon leaders themselves. I can now see through the emotional appeals that are miscategorized as the promptings of the spirit and see the real testimony of the Holy Spirit. studying scripture, tradition, history and praying about with effort and intent over time have provided a deep relationship with the one true God that makes it obvious to me that his church is Catholic.
 
Lets not kid each other. I have a copy of the First Presidencies General hand book of Instructions. In it they make it very clear there is no disciplinary action for using birth control even abortifacient birth control. However if you drink coffee you cannot go to the LDS Temple etc. For verification of this fact please call the office of the LDS First Presidency at 18012401000
Thank you XMormon, if you ask me, it sounds a little contradictory to me. No wonder you left. LOL, ROFL 😃

Kathy
 
Well, I like my Irish Cream too much to become Mormon. Besides, I’m not necessarily the best Catholic example, either.

Back in a few minutes, have to grind some beans.:heaven:
 
That is how your Priesthood originally came from; but along the way it was lost through the Apostasy, and is no longer valid or acknowledged by the Lord.

But along the way it was lost through Apostasy…” Pure speculation!
 
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