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Those poor naive Opus Dei people have no knowlege of who they are tangling with. If indeed you are who you say you are.
The Opus Dei people have never spoken a negative thought about Mormonism to me. And if they did, I would have to put them straight. The catholics that I know are tolerant of other faiths and of the people who believe in those faiths. And that is the way it should be. And be that as it may, if I were on a mormon site and negatives began to be thrown around about Catholicism, I would defend catholicism.

I am just that kind of person. 🙂
 
Perhaps. But, in my experience, you are unusual for an LDS. I have seen that from the beginning.
 
evil?

Is that your righteous judgment?

Very sad whyme. It is obvious this person only came around to get his persecution complex fed. And he throws around insults in order to make it happen. Not to mention the link to a mormon proselytizing website. He is here for anything but to learn about religion…particularly the religion he has already rejected.

And, I googled his user name. He’s doing the same game at another forum. Only that one, he’s discrediting Catholicism in order to prove that mormons are Christian.

He was waiting for the topic of “are mormons Christian” to come up, that’s all there is to it. He has responded to nothing else but that, which says to me that is what he wanted to “discuss” to begin with.

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Rebbecca…try reading my OP…
I insulted no one…quite the contrary…I was the one who was insulted…
A member of this forum asked for information on the LDS and I posted a link…so what?
I have not discredited catholicism rto proove LDS are Christian, nor have I done so in any forum…this is an outright lie!
I responed well before that as I was the original poster and I was rudely attacked. I decieded that this is not the place to be discussing religon because of the many mean spirited people here. I did however read the forum and wanted to set the record straight to the reason I did not post after the first few. Now you have prooved my point.
 
we ARE our brothers keepers and we are obligated to lead people to Christs church.
Kind of hypocritical don’t you think? I seem to remember you saying something about how the LDS are somehow wrong for pointing out the fact that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the true church of God. I guess we are only our brothers keepers and we are obligated to lead people to Christs church only IF we are catholic?
 
we know why they believe they are christians. the truth is not relative in this it is absolute. no one is showing hate when we correct false doctrine. you certainly aren’t respectful and you are VERY offensive with your posts. you constantly attack and mock the catholic faith while claiming “cath cred” to deceive the unwary.
Again…hypocritical don’t you think? It’s not offensive if a catholic believes he/she is correcting false doctrine of anothers church but if someone corrects the false doctrine of the catholic church it is not respectful, offensives and an attack?
 
Our negative reception of you had much more to do with the fact that probably know more about the LDS religion than you do, and we are tired of the same debates over and over.

Scope out the territory before barging in. Remember, this is our turf, you need to know the layout of the land and respect the people instead of declaring your “white” right to take over and convert. Just another analogy.
 
The Opus Dei people have never spoken a negative thought about Mormonism to me. And if they did, I would have to put them straight. The catholics that I know are tolerant of other faiths and of the people who believe in those faiths. And that is the way it should be. And be that as it may, if I were on a mormon site and negatives began to be thrown around about Catholicism, I would defend catholicism.

I am just that kind of person. 🙂
nice try but I have read your posts on those boards and never once saw you defend the catholic church against attacks.
 
dorsey asked for questions, he got them, and has answered only one post, and that one, he was insulting.

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Insulting? you really need to go back to the begining and reread my posts…all of them. As far as the post you said I insulted someone…I have to agree it was not very Christian of me…I got a tad defensive when someone had the audacity to tell me I am not a Christian. Me thinks you’d would be kind of upset too. Don’t ya think?
 
Kind of hypocritical don’t you think? I seem to remember you saying something about how the LDS are somehow wrong for pointing out the fact that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the true church of God. I guess we are only our brothers keepers and we are obligated to lead people to Christs church only IF we are catholic?
then you misunderstood my post. I have no problem with speaking up for the faith. the post you were referring to was me pointing out how hypocritical it is for Mormons to denounce that. you were the one trying to say don’t judge. I’m good with judging.

i don’t post on LDS boards. people who choose to go there can listen to you guys all day. here though where people can be expected to come seeking CATHOLIC answers, I will defend the faith vigorously. If you proclaim the CoJCLDS to be the true faith HERE then you should expect a refutation.

to answer your last question, YES!. there is only ONE true church. even you believe that. So of course I think we have to lead people to the catholic church ONLY.
 
nice try but I have read your posts on those boards and never once saw you defend the catholic church against attacks.
I seriously doubt that any LDS would defend cathoilic creeds. They would however defend your right to believe them, write them, preach them etc.
 
Again…hypocritical don’t you think? It’s not offensive if a catholic believes he/she is correcting false doctrine of anothers church but if someone corrects the false doctrine of the catholic church it is not respectful, offensives and an attack?
The Catholic Church doesn’t have any false doctrine.🙂

I don’t correct the false doctrine of another church. I assume you believe there is no false doctrine in the Mormon Church. I disagree. You have the right to disagree with me. What I get tired of is Mormons who come here claiming certain controversial doctrines of the Mormon Church aren’t Mormon doctrine when I have been taught those things for 32 years as an adult in the Mormon Church. Somebody will come along saying Mormons don’t believe in a Heavenly Mother or that Mormons don’t believe that God the Father progressed from mortality to become a God. I would be much more patient if Mormons who come here were straight up about Mormon doctrine instead of trying to deny it.
 
Again…hypocritical don’t you think? It’s not offensive if a catholic believes he/she is correcting false doctrine of anothers church but if someone corrects the false doctrine of the catholic church it is not respectful, offensives and an attack?
same as above. I don’t have a problem with it. I was pointing out how hypocritical is was for YOU to have a problem with it. once again if you want to post on LDS sites where people choose to seek LDS answers then by all means preach your great apostasy all day. I don’t go there and I don’t go around looking for LDS missionaries to counter either. BUT if you come to CA or a catholic church where I am then I think it perfectly okay to refute your position. your scriptures condemn my faith. your prophets and apostles do so even now. be open and honest about it. I have a problem with tired old approach of we just want to give you a free book/share a message about jesus/learn from each other/etc. when we all know you are really trolling for converts.

just admit it. I can respect mormons who say “I believe the LDS church to be the only true church and I want you to join it”. I will still speak up on why the LDs church is wrong but at least I can respect the individual openly and honestly following their beliefs.

I’ll tell you right now my purpose here is to encourage inquisitive mormons to become catholic and to keep proselytizing mormons from leading away wavering catholics.
 
RebeccaJ;3503356:
dorsey asked for questions, he got them, and has answered only one post, and that one, he was insulting.

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Insulting? you really need to go back to the begining and reread my posts…all of them. As far as the post you said I insulted someone…I have to agree it was not very Christian of me…I got a tad defensive when someone had the audacity to tell me I am not a Christian. Me thinks you’d would be kind of upset too. Don’t ya think?
well if i went to a mormon board I shouldn’t get upset when they tell me my church has no authority, my sacraments are invalid and I need to become mormon. DUH!!! so why would you expect a catholic board to say your religion is perfectly good for getting you to heaven? our church has ruled on this. you want us to lie? would you tell us catholic baptisms wash away sins on a FAIR board?
 
I seriously doubt that any LDS would defend cathoilic creeds. They would however defend your right to believe them, write them, preach them etc.
EXCEPT…whyme claims to be ALSO Catholic. he says he goes to mass regularly, takes comunion, attends adoration in a convent chapel and hangs out with priests and nuns including opus dei ones.
 
What I get tired of is Mormons who come here claiming certain controversial doctrines of the Mormon Church aren’t Mormon doctrine when I have been taught those things for 32 years as an adult in the Mormon Church. Somebody will come along saying Mormons don’t believe in a Heavenly Mother or that Mormons don’t believe that God the Father progressed from mortality to become a God. I would be much more patient if Mormons who come here were straight up about Mormon doctrine instead of trying to deny it.
Exactly. The Mormons don’t understand that the old “milk before meat” thing (aka “Lying for the Lord”) just doesn’t work anymore. The meat is out there on the web and in books for all to see.

It is especially frustrating when we who were long-time active LDS are told that everything we were taught as revealed doctrine was never really taught or was just someone’s personal opinion. And the Mormons think we’ll fall for it. That really chaps my hide.

If you notice, the most protracted arguments with Mormons on these forums are often over whether they do or don’t teach/believe certain doctrines. Even when the scriptures, quotes from their prophets and apostles, LDS.org, Ensign articles, Sunday School/Seminary/Institute manuals, etc are shown to them, they still deny that these things are taught.

Paul
 
Rebbecca…try reading my OP…
I insulted no one…quite the contrary…I was the one who was insulted…
A member of this forum asked for information on the LDS and I posted a link…so what?
I have not discredited catholicism rto proove LDS are Christian, nor have I done so in any forum…this is an outright lie!
I responed well before that as I was the original poster and I was rudely attacked. I decieded that this is not the place to be discussing religon because of the many mean spirited people here. I did however read the forum and wanted to set the record straight to the reason I did not post after the first few. Now you have prooved my point.
Seriously, quit with the pretension. You didn’t come here to learn a thing. You came here to preach, and when people tell you they disagree with what you are preaching, you cry persecution.
I then realized that the Spirit of God could net be present in this forum to witness the truth to anyone.
We know Mormon-speak and we know what this means…trolling for converts.
If someone states what they believe acknowledge it and go on, don’t tell them they are “wrong”.
You want us to sit quietly while you proselytize on a Catholic board? Not likely.

And as has already been pointed out…Mormonism states in its scriptures that our creeds are an abominations. So any claim that you are all innocently trying to be Christ-like is moot.
 
EXCEPT…whyme claims to be ALSO Catholic. he says he goes to mass regularly, takes comunion, attends adoration in a convent chapel and hangs out with priests and nuns including opus dei ones.
I’m special and one of a kind. 🙂
 
You want us to sit quietly while you proselytize on a Catholic board? Not likely.

And as has already been pointed out…Mormonism states in its scriptures that our creeds are an abominations. So any claim that you are all innocently trying to be Christ-like is moot.
No, he wants some of the more antimormon catholics to ease up and respect his faith. This is not very much to ask. 🙂
 
why me,

the LDS Church has horribly misinterpreted this scripture text. We are all dead until we have a regeneration baptism in Christ of water and in the name of the Holy Trinity. This passage does NOT speak of ‘proxy baptism’ which is practiced in the Mormon Temples.

20: But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21: For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23: But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
24: Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25: For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26: The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27: For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28: And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29: Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30: And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31: I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32: If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33: Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34: Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35: But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36: Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39: All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40: There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41: There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42: So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45: And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46: Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47: The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead
Doctrine cannot be proven by proof-texting.
 
No, he wants some of the more antimormon catholics to ease up and respect his faith. This is not very much to ask. 🙂
ALL catholics by definition MUST reject the BoM, D&C and PoGP as false and must also reject the claims to prophecy of JS and all subsequent LDS prophets and apostles. that makes catholics “antimormon” by your terms. of course mormons are anticatholic (and antipresbyterian and anti-methodist, etc.)by the same standards. i don’t know what that makes you. confused? you tell me. your posts are definitely anticatholic and disrespectful of the catholic faith
 
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