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  1. What is the significance of the special underclothing some Mormons wear?
mormons who have been through the Temple ordiances wear “garments” as a symbol of the coats of skin that god gave adam and eve after the original sin. they see these as reminders of their temple covenants and offering protection as well. (somewhat analogous to catholic scapulars)
  1. Is it a sin in the Mormon faith to blow off church services for no good reason?
yes, a venial sin in catholic terms although a pattern of this can get into mortal sin. (mormons don’t use those terms but it is somewhat equivalent)
  1. What is that burning feeling that Mormons speak of… supposededly it tells them their faith is correct?
they believe it is the holy spirit witnessing to them.
 
mormons who have been through the Temple ordiances wear “garments” as a symbol of the coats of skin that god gave adam and eve after the original sin. they see these as reminders of their temple covenants and offering protection as well. (somewhat analogous to catholic scapulars)
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Do they wear them all the time? Do they have more than one pair? Do children “go through the Temple ordinances” or is it an adult thing?

I should probably just go get a book about their beliefs… I am not interested in becoming Mormon… I am just curious about what people believe & why.
 
They used to require that they be in physical contact with them even while bathing-- {otherwise they mught drown in the bathtub or something:D } and during sex :eek: Yes, they have several sets. It is an adult thing parallel to confirmation
 
Do they wear them all the time? Do they have more than one pair? Do children “go through the Temple ordinances” or is it an adult thing?

I should probably just go get a book about their beliefs… I am not interested in becoming Mormon… I am just curious about what people believe & why.
one of the covenants they make is to wear them all the time. in practice most bishops will explain that it’s okay to remove them for marital intimacy and bathing and swimming and some other athletic activities. where medically necessary for treatment it’s okay as well. one is told to get them back on as soon as possible when finished though.

Children over 12 can go through some temple ordinances but only those that confer sacraments they have already received upon the dead by proxy. (baptism, confirmation)

children of any age can be “sealed” to their parents if their parents were not married in the temple prior to their birth. (converts, reverts, etc.)

Adults only are able to actually go through the full blown “temple ceremony” also called the endowment. only mormons who have received their endowments can be married in the temple. this is called “sealing” and is believed by mormons to ensure that the marriage is still in effect after death and the children of the marriage will still be the children of those parents after death. (even though mormon doctrine claims that we are all literal siblings as the offspring of God the father)

google LDS temple endowment and you can easily find actual transcripts of the mormon temple ordinances over the years. they are not as disturbing as they used to be but even the most recent one is going to seem strange to most non-mormons. stay away from stuff like Ed Decker and the godmakers though. they really distort the facts about this stuff.
 
Maybe you would. I would have a hot chocolate. But actually, I am quite involved with the catholic community in my area and I have done catholic volunteer work abroad. You would see a different why me in person. I think that I have given something to the catholic community and received much in return.

But I have no negative feelings about mormons and mormonism. They and it, aren’t perfect and most are just trying to live life like everyone else and survive. I tend to be open minded when it comes to faith. I set no barriers. As a young adult, I attended the Presbyterian Church and was involved in their young adult program as I was in the lds young adult program. They were also fine people and in salt lake, I attended my local ward and the UU services.

What I have discovered is that people are people and each has his or her own way of worshipping god and interpretating the bible according to the faith to which they belong to. But all were human beings with good souls and wonderful hearts.
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Yes, there is good to be found everywhere. But so too is the personal responsibility to follow God, and teach Truth.

Mormons have a lot of error in their beliefs. We shouldn’t beat them up over their beliefs, but we can discuss how they are in error, and why.
 
Also why me, in our attempts to discern what it is we should do, we often fail because we are by nature creatures of comfort. So instead of doing what it takes to discern what it is God wants, we opt instead for what feels good. And sometimes, God leads us to some points in our lives where feel-good comfort is the wrong choice.

What God wants for us isn’t all about feeling. It includes reason, and as Deacon Scott says, “Using our reason in such acts of discernment, thinking with Christ, which is thinking with the Church, is an act of love (Matt. 22,37). Far from always being an affirmation, such a discernment can lead us to conclude that we must do what we do not necessarily want to do, what is the difficult and not the easy thing.”
 
What happens if a Mormon couple seals their marriage and then later they get divorced? Are they still stuck for all of eternity with each other? Likewise if their children are sealed? What if the child, when he grows up, leaves the Mormon faith… will he still end up on the same planet as his parents, or would he have broken the seal?
 
What happens if a Mormon couple seals their marriage and then later they get divorced? Are they still stuck for all of eternity with each other? Likewise if their children are sealed? What if the child, when he grows up, leaves the Mormon faith… will he still end up on the same planet as his parents, or would he have broken the seal?
They are married to each other for eternity unless they obtain a temple divorce. I know several Mormon men with ex-wives who are legally divorced, but still sealed to their wives. They will have those wives in the next life. Many ex-wives allow legal divorces, but won’t allow a temple divorce.
 
Many ex-wives allow legal divorces, but won’t allow a temple divorce.
I find that sort of amusing.

If I can’t stand my husband so much that I want to divorce him, I CERTAINLY don’t want to spend all of eternity with him. That sounds like hell. 😛
 
What happens if a Mormon couple seals their marriage and then later they get divorced? Are they still stuck for all of eternity with each other? Likewise if their children are sealed? What if the child, when he grows up, leaves the Mormon faith… will he still end up on the same planet as his parents, or would he have broken the seal?
When a Mormon couple is married in the temple (this is called a sealing) they are told that their marriage will last for time & all eternity.

If the same Mormon couple is divorced in a civil action, the sealing remains valid unless the couple also gets something called a sealing clearance. (I’m told that’s the name for it…not being a divorcee I don’t know for certain). You can allude to this being something along the lines of an ecclesiastical annulment in the Catholic church.

Should the divorced couple not get a clearance, the eternal nature of the sealing remains in force. Men may be sealed to other wives, but a woman who has been sealed once is considered the spiritual property of the man and is not allowed to be sealed again.

A temporal marriage is always considered subordinate to an eternal marriage. If a divorcée who has no sealing clearance has subsequent children with a second spouse or lover, the children are listed as being “born under the covenant” of her first husband.

Of course, this is all a lot of nonsense based upon speculation that we somehow go on being conscious after death – something few assume in the modern world – so it shouldn’t be taken as anything more than superstition.

More importantly, it’s an example of the inequalities which exist in Mormon society, which is a reflection of Western society. In many ways Mormonism echoes the sexism of the Roman Catholic church, and fundamentalist Protestant churches, in that women are seen as inherently inferior in marriage (and numerous other aspects) to their male counterparts. This is one of the reasons I choose not to actively practice Mormonism, and it’s something I hope I live long enough to see rectified.
 
I find that sort of amusing.

If I can’t stand my husband so much that I want to divorce him, I CERTAINLY don’t want to spend all of eternity with him. That sounds like hell. 😛
It only works so far. If the woman decides to remarry, and wants a temple sealing to her new husband, she will have to get a temple divorce in order to cancel the first sealing.

A man can be sealed to more than one wife, but the woman can only have one husband.
 
More importantly, it’s an example of the inequalities which exist in Mormon society, which is a reflection of Western society. In many ways Mormonism echoes the sexism of the Roman Catholic church, and fundamentalist Protestant churches, in that women are seen as inherently inferior in marriage (and numerous other aspects) to their male counterparts. This is one of the reasons I choose not to actively practice Mormonism, and it’s something I hope I live long enough to see rectified.
What nonsense. The idea that women are seen as inferior in marriage in Catholic and Protestant churches has no basis in fact. The Mormons can’t rectify their practice without renouncing the entire eternal marriage doctrine. In Catholic doctrine there simply is no room to say women are inferior and in fact they are single in heaven so there is no inequality there at all.
 
What nonsense. The idea that women are seen as inferior in marriage in Catholic and Protestant churches has no basis in fact. The Mormons can’t rectify their practice without renouncing the entire eternal marriage doctrine. In Catholic doctrine there simply is no room to say women are inferior and in fact they are single in heaven so there is no inequality there at all.
Start a new thread with the names of all the female RC priests you can find, and we’ll talk.
 
What happens if a Mormon couple seals their marriage and then later they get divorced? Are they still stuck for all of eternity with each other? Likewise if their children are sealed? What if the child, when he grows up, leaves the Mormon faith… will he still end up on the same planet as his parents, or would he have broken the seal?
here is how it works nowadays:

If they divorce they are still sealed. if they want to remarry in the temple then the woman would need a cancellation of sealing. a woman can only be sealed to one man.

The man however just needs “sealing clearance”. men can be sealed to an infinite number of women but only one living lawfully wedded wife at a time.

The teaching is that in that only in the highest kingdom of heaven (celestial) will marriages exist. the most exalted beings in that kingdom (there are 3 levels of exaltation within the celestial kingdom) will be those that are married. worthy women who through no fault of their own are not sealed to a spouse who was worthy of exaltation will be “assigned” to one of the exalted men. it has been taught that the women here will far outnumber the men and all of these marriages will then be polygamous. the singles in the celestial kingdom (lesser two levels of exaltation) will be servants to the highest. The exalted ones will create their own worlds and populate them with their spiritual offspring that come from these “eternal marriages”.

Those who don’t make it to celestial glory will either live in the terrestrial kingdom (nice place like the garden of eden with virtuous non-mormons, etc.)

OR the Telestial (not as nice a place but better than earth right now and populated with failed mormons and murderers, etc.)

OR if one is a “son of perdition” (mormon who absolutely KNOWS mormonism is true but willingly rejects it to follow satan) they go to “outer darkness” with the devil
 
Is all of this from the Book of Mormon? Or did it develop over time and is based on their tradition? Do they feel that all of their beliefs must be based on on of the two books… or do they allow for beliefs to be conveyed through their leaders… (like the JW’s “light” getting brighter)

I know they get the 3 levels of heaven from the Bible, although I believe they misinerpret the verses.

Also, I wonder if the divorce rate for Mormons is smaller than that of Catholics?
 
Is all of this from the Book of Mormon? Or did it develop over time and is based on tradition?

I know they get the 3 levels of heaven from the Bible, although I believe they misinerpret the verses.

Also, I wonder if the divorce rate for Mormons is smaller than that of Catholics?
The divorce rate for Mormons is only slightly better than the national average. Many Mormons will claim otherwise, but they are either fibbing or misinformed.

How it stacks up against the RC divorce rate is something I don’t know, but it’s an interesting question.

The doctrine of eternal marriage is something that evolved after the Book of Mormon was already written, though it was a product of Joseph Smith, so it was a very early innovation. Various parts of the Doctrine and Covenants deal with it.
 
What makes you think women WANT to be Priests?

As if we don’t have enough to do… :rolleyes:
That’s the common Mormon excuse too. (Women don’t want the priesthood, their job is different…).

I think women should have the opportunity to take leadership roles if they choose to do so. Not just in religion, but in every aspect of life. That’s my own position, anyway.
 
**Hello…I am a former RC, I was raised RC, I attended Catholic private schools etc., I converted to LDS 28 years ago when I was 21 years old. I am here because of the intense interest of the LDS church recently in the media. I am not here to convert anyone, challenge anyones faith, or cause contention. I am here to honestly answer questions about my faith and I hope to learn more about the RC faith. (I have forgotten so much). I am happily married with 6 children and am very active in my church. I never served a mission, nor have I ever been married to more than one women…at a time. 😃 . I will absolutely respect your faith as my mother and siblings are all faithful RC’s and we get along great. Please respect me and mine and don’t try to “convert” me as my testimony of LDS doctrine is as iron. Hope we have some fun and learn a lot from eachother…or agree to disagree!😉 **
Dear Brother Dorsey:
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 The journey to the truth of Jesus Christ and His Church is an intense one.  Those who have felt this intensity have been moved to conversion.  It is the very point and purpose of witness and testimony.  To both awaken and open the heart of non-believers, or even fellow believers, who may achieve a further richness and depth by finding a piece of theselves in the testimony of others.  Of course the greatest witness a Christian can provide is the example of their own lives.  The level, frequency, and determination which they apply to their particular imitation of Christ in this life.  There is no harm, certainly, in the sharing of the intellectual concepts underpinning one's religion.  Nor in explaining the local and cultural customs and nuances of one's practice.  Indeed, the sharing of these things can spark interesting conversation.  
The problem with your statements above, and the general approach you are taking here, is that your audience is made up, (at least predominantly, I would hope), of practicing Catholic and Orthodox Christians, who believe with every fiber of their being that Jesus, the Christ...the Logos...the incarnate human form of the Living God..the Word of God made flesh...who was born of the Virgin Mary, and became Man....who suffered, died, was buried, and rose from the dead in fulfillment of the scriptures...has, Himself provided the Church, which he established upon Peter (The rock).  The Church of The Lord our God has been kept alive, as Jesus has asked through Apostolic succession for over 2,000 years, (so far), as we await his glorious return.  Catholic Christianity itself, then,  is a fulfillment of the scriptures, and the ordained pathway to God and His Kingdom.
Anyway, when you go to a Catholic website, and proudly proclaim yourself to have abandoned the Church, then go on to say that you can not, and will not, be converted, I am at a loss, in some respects, as to what it is you wish to hear from us, or what the nature of the dialog you’re seeking might be? My prayers are with you. May you find what you seek here, and may some of the folks here exhibit the proper gifts to communicate what I’ve said in an infinitely more charming manner. I mean no offense. Truly.

The peace of our Lord be with you always,

Steven
 
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