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PRmerger
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Excellent! Then you’re on the right path.
Keep learning and reading the CAFs posters (in light of the Catechism et al) and you’ll be good.
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Keep learning and reading the CAFs posters (in light of the Catechism et al) and you’ll be good.
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PRmerger
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out_of_babylon
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the Pope makes his own commandments and does not submit to my God who tells me to keep his commandments.
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Carlan
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What?
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Whadyamean
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Why do you insist on shouting at us??? Do you think we are trying to ignore you? What is with all that bf red in hypertype?? Calm down, buddy, please…What is this impasse that you believe caused you to believe you were deceived. As a member of the OHCAC I want to know… maybe I need out too…let me know.
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CMatt25
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PR, would that include some who are allowed to identify as Catholic?
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Whadyamean
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What in heaven’s name do you mean by “the Almighty Self?”And if the Church is not the authority, the default position is that the Almighty Self becomes the authority.
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Whadyamean
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The Discipliine of General Semantics as outlined by Alfred Korzybski
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PRmerger
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Indeed. The canon by which everything Catholic ought to be measured by is the Catechism, which is the “sure norm” of the faith.
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CMatt25
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I’m guessing she means so many non Catholic denominations have sprouted when believers have for themselves read and searched the Scripture and interpreted in a sola scriptura manner. And unless a believer adheres to all Catholic teaching, they are not in perfect communion with the Almighty God.
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PRmerger
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It means that if you don’t have the Church as your authority to discern what’s true and of God, then you have to use another authority–and the default one is yourself.
Thus, let’s say the Church says, “Mary is not part of the Trinity”, but you reject that. You discern, of your own accord, “I want to be able to have a woman be worshipped, so I’m going to declare that Mary is divine”, then what you have done is use your own preferences to be the default authority.
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PRmerger
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No, Matt. Not even close.
BTW, I am perfectly capable of answering for myself, thank you very much.
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CMatt25
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1voice, actually you might be in a better position than someone who at one time believed the Catholic Church was necessary for salvation but later did not remain. CCC judges those folks could not be saved.
From CCC 846 “Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it”
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PRmerger
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Yes. It’s like turning away from your wife. You know she’s your wife. You were married to her. You agree that you were married. But you decide that you just don’t want to be part of the marriage.
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CMatt25
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Hmm. Sorry PR. I was mistaken then as to what you believed. I had thought unless folks adhered to Catholic interpretation and not their own, that they were not in perfect communion. And that because people interpret for themselves, all sorts of denominations have sprouted. I bad though I guess. In any case Happy New Year.No, Matt. Not even close.
BTW, I am perfectly capable of answering for myself, thank you very much.
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PRmerger
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You are arguing separate things, Matt. The above statements are true, but they are non-sequiturs, as far as what Whadya was discussing.
Happy New Year to you, too! I should be cleaning the house in prep for tonight’s festivities, but instead here I am chatting on the CAFs. My bad!
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PJM
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OK, let’s talk
Can you be more specific?
I’m pretty well informed, perhaps I can clarify for you?
By the way what is the authority og the Bible in you’re view?
God Bless,
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TarkanAttila
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Hi! Welcome to CAF! Are you from CARM by any chance?
If he has said that, either he has not done so as shepherd and teacher of all Christians (ex cathedra, and thus authoritatively), or I’ve not heard about it and would like a citation to back up your claims.
Of course Protestantism isn’t completely unChristian. But according to the CCC:
This means that although you have taken the first step - a Trinitarian baptism - you and other Protestant Christians are not Christians in the fullest sense as such yet.
In a way, it’s like being a Jew. They also profess a belief in God the Father, and that the Messiah will come and save them someday. They, too, hold fast to the Scriptures and the Traditions of their fathers. But like the Protestants, they rejected something that makes them less-than-Christian. Jews rejected the Son. And Protestants rejected the Church founded by the Son.
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pismopal
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The phrase “Catholic Interpretation” has always seemed a little odd to me because we as Catholics are free to read the Bible and interpret verses and books freely… such as for example; Ezekiel. We can read and decide that maybe the strange things he saw were UFO’s. The Catholic Church does not have an interpretation of every word in the Bible. We have a lot of freedom to examine the Bible and speculate. What we not have the freedom to do is add or detract or change any aspect or particle of the deposit of faith. This protects us from division and heresy and error. Works for me:thumbsup:
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PJM
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REALLY:shrug:
And you say that because?
Jesus formed only One church and approves only One set of Faith beliefs. Today’s CC is HOME for both. Because the Bible was 100% written by the end of the 1st. Century; every thing in the NT was written by Catholicss for Catholics. The term “church” was 1st introduced by Jesus in Mt. 16: 15-19, where He gives the keys to heaven to Peter. “The Way” Acts.24: 5,14 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes. But this I admit to you, that** according to the Way,** which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the law or written in the prophets"
Later became “Christians” in about 80 AD ,
Acts.11: .[26] and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church, and taught a large company of people; and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians.
And in 110 AD we were first called Caholics.
No OTHER Church and No other Christian religion would come un the scene until the GREAT Schism of 1010 when the Orthodox broke away from Rome. SO for the first thousand years after the death of Jesus ONLY the CC existed. This is Historical fact dear friend,
God Bless,
Pat
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