I'm not a Catholic because

[PJM]

Originally Posted by out of babylon
the Pope makes his own commandments and does not submit to my God who tells me to keep his commandments.

***My dear friend in Christ, WELCOME!

I’m the OP of this String And I like learning new things. Could you perhaps be more specific and share with me what Commandment “the Popes” do not keep? I’ve not heard of this before.
God Bless you,
Pat***

 

[CMatt25]

Happy New Year to you, too! I should be cleaning the house in prep for tonight’s festivities, but instead here I am chatting on the CAFs. My bad!

As I should be washing my dishes from my food prepping last night. So hense I go forth…

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
Pope Benedict has clearly indicated that true Christianity is not limited to the Roman Catholic expression.

If he has said that, either he has not done so as shepherd and teacher of all Christians (ex cathedra, and thus authoritatively), or I’ve not heard about it and would like a citation to back up your claims.
.

“it is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church *.”
… Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/phome_en.htm

…
He said the following before he being elected … I include it in order to give insight into the process that led to the above statement.

“In the course of a now centuries-old history, Protestantism has made an important contribution to the realization of Christian faith, fulfilling a positive function in the development of the Christian message and, above all, often giving rise to a sincere and profound faith in the individual non-Catholic Christian.”

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, pp. 87-88*

 

[Michael19682]

PRmerger,

If you could answer before the new year it would be helpful, as I firmly resolve at that time to renew my baptismal call to renounce Satan and all his works - hence, you will not receive any direct replies from me beyond that time, though I will continue to pray for your soul, which I understand is female in nature.

Why do you call yourself Roman Catholic?

 

[PRmerger]

PRmerger,

If you could answer before the new year it would be helpful, as I firmly resolve at that time to renew my baptismal call to renounce Satan and all his works - hence, you will not receive any direct replies from me beyond that time, though I will continue to pray for your soul, which I understand is female in nature.

Why do you call yourself Roman Catholic?

Because I was baptized into the Latin rite church and I profess, proclaim and confess that I believe in God, the Father almighty,

Creator of heaven and earth,

and in Jesus Christ, his only Son,

our Lord,

who was conceived

by the Holy Spirit,

born of the Virgin Mary,

suffered under Pontius Pilate,

was crucified, died and was buried;

he descended into hell;

on the third day he rose again

from the dead;

he ascended into heaven,

and is seated at the right hand

of God the Father almighty;

from there he will come to judge

the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,

the holy catholic Church,

the communion of saints,

the forgiveness of sins,

the resurrection of the body,

and life everlasting.

 

[CopticChristian]

Why do you insist on shouting at us??? Do you think we are trying to ignore you? What is with all that bf red in hypertype?? Calm down, buddy, please…

You are a muse,

You have noted Korzybski and General Semantics. You should be aware that red typing with large print is red typing and has large print. It seperates it from the other typing. You have supplied the contents of your map. All I did was type words…:bigyikes:

Does this please you?…this was the statement.

That worked very well until I met a **practical impasse ** that no person or document claiming alignment with Church teaching could begin to satisfactorily resolve. So, fearing for my Soul, I went elsewhere to solve the conundrum. As I have said to some, I feel like I have won the lottery. I found, and I was not deceived. So I guess I found a part of the Church that was imperfect.

This was the question.

What is this impasse that you believe caused you to believe you were deceived. As a member of the OHCAC I want to know… maybe I need out too…let me know.

 

[Journey322]

As the God BLESSED OP of this string; I have I am sure responed to a 100 or more most. I have not found what you have.

Many are questioning and truly searching as led by the Holy Spirit. I an DEEPLY grateful to have been able to sare the Why’s and Hows of our Catholic Faith with so many GREAT folks1

The occasional cincic, and a few isolated critics are just to keep us focused and an opportunity to prove and demonistrate our love for each other and our God:thumbsup:

Merry Christmas ALL!

Pat

THANK YOU for saying that! I am glad to see someone understands.

 

[PJM]

=1voice;8760375]Originally Posted by 1voice
Pope Benedict has clearly indicated that true Christianity is not limited to the Roman Catholic expression.

“it is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church *.”
… Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/phome_en.htm*

…
He said the following before he being elected … I include it in order to give insight into the process that led to the above statement.

“In the course of a now centuries-old history, Protestantism has made an important contribution to the realization of Christian faith, fulfilling a positive function in the development of the Christian message and, above all, often giving rise to a sincere and profound faith in the individual non-Catholic Christian.”

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, The Meaning of Christian Brotherhood, pp. 87-88

OK?

First dear friend this is no way an excathadra proclaimaion. Nor is it even able to qualify as a faith matter that mandates or requies beleif. That said, there is little doubt that some Protestant denominarions are leading at least in a limited manner; people to Christ. BUT take not noting in the statements you provided claims that salvation is possible outside of the CC. The issue of Forgiveness of sin looms large on the issue of salvation; and beyond Baptism, the Sacrament of Confession [John 20:19-3] is the ONLY method apprived by Christ. No one will get to heaven with unconfessed, on remitted Mortal sins on their souls. [1 Jn.5:16-17].

Faith alone, even a profound faith; if it is not based on what Christ Himself taught and commands; is at best imperfect and incomplete. There is NO evidence that such is sufficient to attain ones salvation; other than the opinions of mortal men.

Further God will Judge * each of us based on what He God makes POSSIBLE for us to know, not what we choosem to accept.

God Bless You,
Pat*

 

[Whadyamean]

You are a muse,

That’s nice; thank you. Hopefully a musing, as well. In some respects, anyway. Fortunately I’m not Rodney Dangerfeild, though this one seems to be “mined.”

You have noted Korzybski and General Semantics. You should be aware that red typing with large print is red typing and has large print. It seperates it from the other typing. You have supplied the contents of your map. All I did was type words

Yep, ya did. My reference about shouting comes from the convention in the many chat rooms I’ve been in that such typography constitutes shouting. Perhaps these fora are exempt from that convention and being new here, and warmly received, I am perhaps ignorant of a difference here. …:bigyikes:

Does this please you?:confused

“this” being?

This was the question.

What is this impasse that you believe caused you to believe you were deceived. As a member of the OHCAC I want to know… maybe I need out too…let me know.

:thumbsup:You need out when you want out, and then you are already out. Thank goodness you are not living under the Inquisition. I thank goodness on my behalf as well!

I don’t think you want out, so let me know when and if you do, and why.

Nice chatting with you, Thanks for your attention and all the creative energy you sent my way!

 

[1voice]

OK?

First dear friend this is no way an excathadra proclaimaion. Nor is it even able to qualify as a faith matter that mandates or requies beleif.
Pat

“it is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church *.”
… Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/phome_en.htm*

 

[fbl9]

“it is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church *.”
… Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/phome_en.htm*please do note the the word “possible” this alone indicates that this is not a binding teaching. Also keep in mind “the Church of Christ” is the Catholic Church.
How is this church present and operative in the non catholic groups?
i am interested in what way do you see the CC operative and present in your christian fellowhip.

 

[PRmerger]

“it is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church *.”
… Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/phome_en.htm*

Indeed, 1voice. Indeed.

You are a Christian if you have been baptized with water using the Trinitarian formula, and if so, you have the Catholic Church to thank for preserving this sacrament for you to avail yourself of.

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
“it is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church *.”
… Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/phome_en.htm

please do note the the word “possible” this alone indicates that this is not a binding teaching. Also keep in mind “the Church of Christ” is the Catholic Church.
How is this church present and operative in the non catholic groups?
i am interested in what way do you see the CC operative and present in your christian fellowhip.

Catholic doctrine is not binding to a Catholic?*

 

[Whadyamean]

Despite your spelling (and grammar) overall, I understand what you’re saying.

And you are incorrect. There is a difference between being on the battlefield and feeling God’s presence, and being in a Catholic Church, where the Numinous Dwells in the Holy of Holies, the Tabernacle. This is an ancient understanding, surpassing even Christianity. (See Exodus, 2 Chronicles et al).

Yes, I am familiar with the ancient nature of this belief. But I do not understand it. Is God then more “concentrated” or “aware” of you in the Tabernacle? how far does this effect radiate? How is it different from on the other side of the wall? Is God then “thicker?” in the thousands of churches where there are tabernacles? Does this mean that there is more God on Earth than anywhere else? How is this Presence known other than by pointing to an object? Does God “hear” better in the form of a Host? How is one “closer” to God in a church as distinct from Cathedral Grove, for instance? Is “He” more readily “on call” there than somewhere else? Sorry, I just don’t get it.

Now if you said that God is more “present” in a Holy Man than elsewhere, I might start to agree with you, though I would use the term “transparent to God” than “present.” Not that god is more “concentrated” there, but because an attuned awareness directed to Deity can be an “inspired mouthpiece.”

 

[Carlan]

“it is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church *.”
… Pope Benedict XVI

vatican.va/phome_en.htm*

Hello 1Voice,
Who belongs to the Catholic Church? 839 CCC.

/The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter. Those who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.
With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.
Hope you hang around, to learn more about the Apostolic Church

Happy New Year, and peace to all, Carlan

 

[1voice]

1voice
Re: I’m not a Catholic because …

The Word of God has never asked me to become a Catholic.

REALLY:shrug:

And you say that because?

I suppose that the Lord feels that I have a healthy relationship with him. I am completely confident and at peace in my fellowship with my Lord and Savior. He has never said it was necessary for me to be a Roman Catholic.

Jesus formed only One church and approves only One set of Faith beliefs. Today’s CC is HOME for both. Because the Bible was 100% written by the end of the 1st. Century; every thing in the NT was written by Catholicss for Catholics. The term “church” was 1st introduced by Jesus in Mt. 16: 15-19, where He gives the keys to heaven to Peter. “The Way” Acts.24: 5,14 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes. But this I admit to you, that** according to the Way,** which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the law or written in the prophets"
Later became “Christians” in about 80 AD ,
Acts.11: .[26] and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church, and taught a large company of people; and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians.
And in 110 AD we were first called Caholics.

No OTHER Church and No other Christian religion would come un the scene until the GREAT Schism of 1010 when the Orthodox broke away from Rome. SO for the first thousand years after the death of Jesus ONLY the CC existed. This is Historical fact dear friend,

God Bless,
Pat

Thank you for the synopsis …
I dont disagree with any of it.

…

 

[RyanBlack]

REALLY:shrug:

And you say that because?

Jesus formed only One church and approves only One set of Faith beliefs. Today’s CC is HOME for both. Because the Bible was 100% written by the end of the 1st. Century; every thing in the NT was written by Catholicss for Catholics. The term “church” was 1st introduced by Jesus in Mt. 16: 15-19, where He gives the keys to heaven to Peter. “The Way” Acts.24: 5,14 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, an agitator among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes. But this I admit to you, that** according to the Way,** which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the law or written in the prophets"
Later became “Christians” in about 80 AD ,
Acts.11: .[26] and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church, and taught a large company of people; and in Antioch the disciples were for the first time called Christians.
And in 110 AD we were first called Caholics.

No OTHER Church and No other Christian religion would come un the scene until the GREAT Schism of 1010 when the Orthodox broke away from Rome. SO for the first thousand years after the death of Jesus ONLY the CC existed. This is Historical fact dear friend,

God Bless,
Pat

Just FYI, the Great Schism was in 1054, and it was not the first schism. The Assyrian Church of the East separated following the Third Ecumenical Council (431), while the Oriental Orthodox separated at the time of the Fourth Ecumenical Council (451), so actually, what you stated as being historical fact, is, in fact, not.

 

[DerrickGuns]

Been searching for the truth for 40 years now. Think I have finally found it in the Roman Catholic Church. Been a baptist, Southern baptist, studied and attended Jehovah Witnesses meetings, belonged to a pentacostal church once, Now going through RCIA classes to become a Catholic. Hopefully this will be the last stop on my road of searching for the truth. God Bless everyone.

 

[CMatt25]

Because I was baptized into the Latin rite church and I profess, proclaim and confess that I believe in God, the Father almighty,

Creator of heaven and earth,

and in Jesus Christ, his only Son,

our Lord,

who was conceived

by the Holy Spirit,

born of the Virgin Mary,

suffered under Pontius Pilate,

was crucified, died and was buried;

he descended into hell;

on the third day he rose again

from the dead;

he ascended into heaven,

and is seated at the right hand

of God the Father almighty;

from there he will come to judge

the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,

the holy catholic Church,

the communion of saints,

the forgiveness of sins,

the resurrection of the body,

and life everlasting.

Interesting. But what do you mean by not capitializing “catholic” Church, PR?

 

[CMatt25]

Happy New Year, and peace to all, Carlan

And to you as well Carlan. Peace.