im out

[Caesar]

I’ve never seen this crown and that Pope does look a bit strange with that “Tiara” on his head…and it does look a bit like a wedding cake…funny. It’s obviously an old tradition, I haven’t seen it…who was the last Pope who wore it?

I’m off topic…please stay OP

Paul VI saw fit not to wear his crown after his coronation (a gift from his previous Archdiocese), although he decreed that his successors should wear the crown.

The Triple Crown is the foremost symbol of the Papacy, appearing on the Vatican coat-of-arms and all Papal coats-of-arms except for our current Pope. It has been worn for almost 1000 years in varying forms and single Papal crowns predate it. The symbolism is obvious.The most common shape is a beehive shape as seen in my picture of Saint Pius X (although Paul VI wore a cone).

 

[Caesar]

I’ve never seen this crown and that Pope does look a bit strange with that “Tiara” on his head…and it does look a bit like a wedding cake…funny. It’s obviously an old tradition, I haven’t seen it…who was the last Pope who wore it?

I’m off topic…please stay OP

Paul VI saw fit not to wear his crown after his coronation (a gift from his previous Archdiocese), although he decreed that his successors should wear the crown.

The Triple Crown is the foremost symbol of the Papacy, appearing on the Vatican coat-of-arms and all Papal coats-of-arms except for our current Pope. It has been worn for almost 1000 years in varying forms and single Papal crowns predate it. The symbolism is obvious.The most common shape is a beehive shape as seen in my picture of Saint Pius X (although Paul VI wore a cone).

 

[Strummer]

Actually, ‘tiaras’ are those headbands Persian cavalry wore during the wars with Greece. By extension, it means any headband.

The so-called Tiara Pope St. Pius is wearing looks more like a miter. That, two, is a Persian hat.

Sorry, not many members of the Persian calvary in my neck of the woods.

But I think we all want you to stick around. An actually coherent pagan is a nice change of pace (the other one I can remember came off as a bit flaky, possibly because English wasn’t her first language); it’s boring with a theological gamut from A to not-quite B. Sure, there’s a Muslim or two, couple Jews, maybe a Mormon or atheist (and one guy who says he’s a Taoist), but mostly what we have is various flavors of Christianity.

Indeed! Perhaps, you do not sense a benefit for yourself to remain, but as you present yourself intelligently and with respect, you provide a gift to us to aid our understanding of folks who hold similar beliefs.

 

[Caesar]

I’ve never seen this crown and that Pope does look a bit strange with that “Tiara” on his head…and it does look a bit like a wedding cake…funny. It’s obviously an old tradition, I haven’t seen it…who was the last Pope who wore it?

I’m off topic…please stay OP

Paul VI saw fit not to wear his crown after his coronation (a gift from his previous Archdiocese), although he decreed that his successors should wear the crown.

The Triple Crown is the foremost symbol of the Papacy, appearing on the Vatican coat-of-arms and all Papal coats-of-arms except for our current Pope. It has been worn for almost 1000 years in varying forms and single Papal crowns predate it. The symbolism is obvious.The most common shape is a beehive shape as seen in my picture of Saint Pius X (although Paul VI wore a cone).

 

[Caesar]

I’ve never seen this crown and that Pope does look a bit strange with that “Tiara” on his head…and it does look a bit like a wedding cake…funny. It’s obviously an old tradition, I haven’t seen it…who was the last Pope who wore it?

I’m off topic…please stay OP

Paul VI saw fit not to wear his crown after his coronation (a gift from his previous Archdiocese), although he decreed that his successors should wear the crown.

The Triple Crown is the foremost symbol of the Papacy, appearing on the Vatican coat-of-arms and all Papal coats-of-arms except for our current Pope. It has been worn for almost 1000 years in varying forms and single Papal crowns predate it. The symbolism is obvious.The most common shape is a beehive shape as seen in my picture of Saint Pius X (although Paul VI wore a cone).

 

[Julianna]

get out

nice of you to be so honest

 

[francesco920]

I’ve never seen this crown and that Pope does look a bit strange with that “Tiara” on his head…and it does look a bit like a wedding cake…funny. It’s obviously an old tradition, I haven’t seen it…who was the last Pope who wore it?

I’m off topic…please stay OP

Okay, this is my last off topic post.

The last Pope that wore it was Paul VI (although he never wore it after the coronation.)

It had been worn for hundreds of years, and it still appears on the Vatican flag and the coat of arms of the Holy See.

Julianna:

It looks like a wedding cake. To YOU he is the greatest Pope, that is your opinon. I was just commenting on your reference to reborn_pagans picture…because I know where you were going. Wiccans do not worship the devil and are not evil. I have not read all of reborn_pagans posts…so I will share with you, what I know about Wicca. Wicca is a earth practice. The mother earth is sacred. It is not wasted, destroyed, or used haphazardly. Everything that comes from the earth returns to the earth and is reborn. Some of the wiccans I know, do not drink, smoke, or put anything in their bodies that would harm them. No do they harm anyone else, beast or fish or fowl. There is a Creator, but I never really got down to WHO exactly that is.

It’s not my cup of tea, but I will not deny a person who practices a faith that nurtures the earth, a one way ticket to hell.

Nobody is claiming that Wiccans are evil. What is being claimed, and accurately so, however, is that Wicca is a false religion and that ALL forms of magic (or magick), witchcraft, sorcery, etc are evil and of the Devil.

And let me remind you that Pope St. Pius X is a SAINT. He is one of the greatest Popes that has ever led the Church. He loved the faith, he loved Tradition, and he fought the heresy of modernism – the worst heresy of all – with everything he had. He was an honest, moral, and highly intelligent man.

People can learn so much from him, especially in today’s world.

Pope St. Pius X, pray for us.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

Hmmm…I think you should stay.

But why did you entitle the thread “im out” and then ask us if you should stay?

If you feel like leaving, then you probably should go. I, however, think that you would be making a mistake in doing so.

I myself have felt like leaving at times. But there’s a lot of love around here-- and it’s the love that keeps pulling me back whenever I lose my temper.

 

[Alexius]

Symbol of power? Why? Wouldn’t his words and actions speak more sincerely than a tiara?

His words and his actions “speak” to his faith; the tiara speaks to his position (though that tiara is not what I would wear… ).

BTW: STAY, we need diversity on this forum; you’ve got nothing to lose…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

 

[Caesar]

Symbol of power? Why? Wouldn’t his words and actions speak more sincerely than a tiara?

It is merely a symbol of the Papacy. Notably of the roles of the Holy Father as Priest, King and Prophet. It is also a symbol of the Holy Trinity.

Catholicism is filled with beautiful symbolism such as this. It is not meant to replace words and actions but to enrich them. Such an image of the Holy Father inspires faith and loyalty.

 

[Mt_28_19_20]

His words and his actions “speak” to his faith; the tiara speaks to his position (though that tiara is not what I would wear… ).

BTW: STAY, we need diversity on this forum; you’ve got nothing to lose…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius

My boss dresses simply, and their words, actions, and humility speak for themselves. That speaks so much to their position. Fancy clothes or hat would detract from that, and fact is, their reputation is based on their words and actions, not what they wear. Anyone can wear something “impressive” in clothing or hats, not everyone commants respect by their actions and words. People know who they are without a hat. People didn’t know he was pope without a hat?

Michael

 

[Mt_28_19_20]

It is merely a symbol of the Papacy. Notably of the roles of the Holy Father as Priest, King and Prophet. It is also a symbol of the Holy Trinity.

Catholicism is filled with beautiful symbolism such as this. It is not meant to replace words and actions but to enrich them. Such an image of the Holy Father inspires faith and loyalty.

How does a hat enrich words or actions?

The position inspires faith and loyalty, not an image with a fancy hat. Too fancy makes me question. Perhaps Mother Theresa did not inspire faith and loyalty due to her simple garb?

Michael

 

[anamchara]

Paul VI saw fit not to wear his crown after his coronation (a gift from his previous Archdiocese), although he decreed that his successors should wear the crown.

The Triple Crown is the foremost symbol of the Papacy, appearing on the Vatican coat-of-arms and all Papal coats-of-arms except for our current Pope. It has been worn for almost 1000 years in varying forms and single Papal crowns predate it. The symbolism is obvious.The most common shape is a beehive shape as seen in my picture of Saint Pius X (although Paul VI wore a cone).

oops, double posted there my friend. Thank you for explaining this This is the same Pope that the SSPX Church followed, am I right?

way off topic again…sorry

 

[Strummer]

Nobody is claiming that Wiccans are evil. What is being claimed, and accurately so, however, is that Wicca is a false religion and that ALL forms of magic (or magick), witchcraft, sorcery, etc are evil and of the Devil.

Okay, let’s see if I’ve got this right:
“Nobody is claiming that Wiccans are evil”
“Wicca is a false religion and ALL forms…are evil”

Wiccans are not evil (since nobody is claiming such and that would, presumably, include yourself) AND Wiccan, by practicing a false religion, practice a form of magic which IS evil.

That’s some…interesting logic you have there, mate.

 

[Caesar]

oops, double posted there my friend. Thank you for explaining this This is the same Pope that the SSPX Church followed, am I right?

way off topic again…sorry

The SSPX is not a Church, it is a Roman Catholic organization that is in schism and that also happens to have St. Pius X as their patron.

I should note that they were founded more then 50 years after his death.

I should also note that St. Pius would have condemned them if he were Pope today. They are in schism and will not submit to the authority and rule of our current Pope, Benedict XVI.

 

[Caesar]

How does a hat enrich words or actions?

The position inspires faith and loyalty, not an image with a fancy hat. Too fancy makes me question. Perhaps Mother Theresa did not inspire faith and loyalty due to her simple garb?

Michael

Then good for Blessed Theresa of Calcutta.

Pius X was Pope. He was the visible leader of the Church and one of the strongest Roman Pontiffs in recent centuries (the fact that he was the first canonized Pope since St. Pius V in the late 1500s should speak for itself; his body is also incorrupt). It is within the right of the Holy Father to display his position, to distinguish himself from the rest of the Church. As he lay dying His Holiness Pius X remarked, “I was born into poverty and now I die in poverty”.

 

[LilyM]

How does a hat enrich words or actions?

The position inspires faith and loyalty, not an image with a fancy hat. Too fancy makes me question. Perhaps Mother Theresa did not inspire faith and loyalty due to her simple garb?

Michael

Well arguments can be made on both sides.

But remember the Pope is the Vicar on earth of Christ - King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Nothing inappropriate with honouring such with a crown. Didn’t the three wise men give Christ a gift of precious gold??

 

[Mt_28_19_20]

Well arguments can be made on both sides.

But remember the Pope is the Vicar on earth of Christ - King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Nothing inappropriate with honouring such with a crown. Didn’t the three wise men give Christ a gift of precious gold??

Yes they did, for the King. Not for the prime minister. What example did Jesus set for us? A crown of thorns.

Michael

 

[anamchara]

The SSPX is not a Church, it is a Roman Catholic organization that is in schism and that also happens to have St. Pius X as their patron.

I should note that they were founded more then 50 years after his death.

I should also note that St. Pius would have condemned them if he were Pope today. They are in schism and will not submit to the authority and rule of our current Pope, Benedict XVI.

This is my understanding as well…I guess I made the mistake of calling them a “Church” sorry about that.

As a side note and totally off topic…Luther never wanted to split either or least this was not his goal, I wonder what the world would be like today if all that had not gone as it did.

I’m one of those converts who still embrace my Protestant background, I still love and respect my past faith and feel so sad when I think of all this craziness…

sheesh…it’s getting late and I’m rambling

 

[LilyM]

Yes they did, for the King. Not for the prime minister. What example did Jesus set for us? A crown of thorns.

Michael

AND gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh, all precious and valuable, AND expensive perfume poured all over his feet.