I'm Sick of all this!

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What right does this bishop have to decide this? I’m sick of this Jackson Diocese! Where is the orthodoxy? Where is the leadership? Stewardship, where is that??? No, money coming from parishes, charities, or foundations. O’ya then where is it coming from then, Bishop Latino?!?!?!?!? All you have accomplished is opening the door for more crack pots to sue the Church!!! I’m tired of my money being wasted! I’m not being fed here!! They’re protestantnising the masses, the churches, the religious ed, and a host of other programs! I wish there were a Eastern Rite Church (separate from this asinine diocese) around here. I’d be there now!

Here is what I’m railing about.

Diocese settles abuse lawsuits

I’ve read the documents on this law suit. I’m no lawyer, but even I could have shot holes through those claims!

What am I to do?? I’m so sick right now? If it weren’t for the knowledge of who started the Church I’d leave to be part of NO church.
 
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Douay-Rheims:
What right does this bishop have to decide this?
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The canonical right, bestowed upon by the Church, the bride of Chirst, by virtue of his office as a successor to the Apostles of Jesus Christ.
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Douay-Rheims:
Where is the orthodoxy? Where is the leadership?
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Where is the obedience?
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Douay-Rheims:
I’ve read the documents on this law suit. I’m no lawyer, but even I could have shot holes through those claims!
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But hat’s because you’re not a lawyer. It’s often easier to be a backseat driver than it is to take the wheel.
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Douay-Rheims:
What am I to do??
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Give up the pride that makes you think you know how to run the Diocese better than those appointed over you. Submit to their authority. Support them.
 
Where is the obedience?

What am I to be obidiant to?
custodians of unsound doctrine?!?!

Give up the pride that makes you think you know how to run the Diocese better than those appointed over you. Submit to their authority. Support them.

Again, what should I support ?
Those same custodians of that are afoul of orthodoxy?
 
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Douay-Rheims:
Where is the obedience?

What am I to be obidiant to?
custodians of unsound doctrine?!?!
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How about the Church.
Again, what should I support ?
Those same custodians of that are afoul of orthodoxy?
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Is orthodoxy more important than the Church? The Church specifically gives the Bishop the right to do what he has done. Are you saying that your idea of orthodoxy is more important than that?

Peace

Tim
 
Dear Douay-Rheims, you have to be patient, there are bad pastors and we have to pray that these mistakes and heterodoxy would be solved, but we don´t have to leave the church, in former times, there was bad priests and bad Popes too, the liturgy was better, but the life of many priests was disgusting, and people kept their faith, think about it.
 
One reason for the number of abuse claims against the Church, unfortunately, is that there is money to be had. Other institutions, such as public schools, are harder to sue, have shorter time limits for filing, and less prospect of monetary rewards. See this interview with Archbishop Charles Chaput which appears in Our Sunday Visitor:
osv.com/periodicals/show-article.asp?pid=1249
 
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Franze:
Dear Douay-Rheims, you have to be patient, there are bad pastors and we have to pray that these mistakes and heterodoxy would be solved, but we don´t have to leave the church, in former times, there was bad priests and bad Popes too, the liturgy was better, but the life of many priests was disgusting, and people kept their faith, think about it.
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I am not leaving the Church, for the fact that it was started by Christ.
 
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Orogeny:
How about the Church.Is orthodoxy more important than the Church? The Church specifically gives the Bishop the right to do what he has done. Are you saying that your idea of orthodoxy is more important than that?

Peace

Tim
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Well, Tim, lets have St. Augustine answer that.

Consistent with the teachings and method of Christ and the Apostles, the Fathers point out the necessity of preserving pure and undefiled the deposit of revelation. “Neither in the confusion of paganism”, says St. Augustine, “nor in the defilement of heresy, nor in the lethargy of schism, nor yet in blindness of Judaism is religion to be sought; but among those alone who are called Catholic Christians, or the orthodox, that is, the custodians of sound doctrine and followers of right teaching” (De Vera Relig., cap. v).
 
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Douay-Rheims:
Well, Tim, lets have St. Augustine answer that.

Consistent with the teachings and method of Christ and the Apostles, the Fathers point out the necessity of preserving pure and undefiled the deposit of revelation. “Neither in the confusion of paganism”, says St. Augustine, “nor in the defilement of heresy, nor in the lethargy of schism, nor yet in blindness of Judaism is religion to be sought; but among those alone who are called Catholic Christians, or the orthodox, that is, the custodians of sound doctrine and followers of right teaching” (De Vera Relig., cap. v).
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So you are claiming that orthodoxy as defined by you has precedence over the authority of the Bishop? Is it you or the Church that defines the " pure and undefiled the deposit of revelation"? Are you the custodian of sound doctrine?

If it is you, I respectfully ask where you get your authority. If it is the Church, I submit that perhaps you were a bit, um, overboard with your criticism.

Peace

Tim
 
Douay-Rhiems,

No doubt about it, $5.1 million is a lot of federal diplomas. Just a thought, if you can, find someone who can give you an estimate on how much money it would have cost the diocese if all 19 cases had gone to court. It’s possible that a settlement was the least expensive way to go.
 
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Orogeny:
So you are claiming that orthodoxy as defined by you has precedence over the authority of the Bishop? Is it you or the Church that defines the " pure and undefiled the deposit of revelation"? Are you the custodian of sound doctrine?

If it is you, I respectfully ask where you get your authority. If it is the Church, I submit that perhaps you were a bit, um, overboard with your criticism.

Peace

Tim
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I’m not claiming authority. Again I’ll let St. Augustine answer you.

"Consistent with the teachings and method of Christ and the Apostles, the Fathers point out the necessity of preserving pure and undefiled the deposit of revelation. “Neither in the confusion of paganism”, says St. Augustine, “nor in the defilement of heresy, nor in the lethargy of schism, nor yet in blindness of Judaism is religion to be sought; but among those alone who are called Catholic Christians, or the orthodox, that is, the custodians of sound doctrine and followers of right teaching” (De Vera Relig., cap. v).
 
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banjo:
Douay-Rhiems,

No doubt about it, $5.1 million is a lot of federal diplomas. Just a thought, if you can, find someone who can give you an estimate on how much money it would have cost the diocese if all 19 cases had gone to court. It’s possible that a settlement was the least expensive way to go.
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It’s not just the money. The whole time we in this diocese were being told that the cases had no merit. If that was true, why settle???
 
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banjo:
No doubt about it, $5.1 million is a lot of federal diplomas. Just a thought, if you can, find someone who can give you an estimate on how much money it would have cost the diocese if all 19 cases had gone to court. It’s possible that a settlement was the least expensive way to go.
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Not only that, but insurance is covering most of it. The diocese is paying less than 3/4 of a million.
 
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Timidity:
Not only that, but insurance is covering most of it. The diocese is paying less than 3/4 of a million.
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Yea and cost of insurance won’t go up a bit. Or better yet the diocese may have a problem even obtaining insurance going forward. But, you didn’t think about that did ya?

Again, It’s not just the money. The whole time we in this diocese were being told that the cases had no merit. If that was true, why settle???
 
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Douay-Rheims:
I’m not claiming authority. Again I’ll let St. Augustine answer you.

"Consistent with the teachings and method of Christ and the Apostles, the Fathers point out the necessity of preserving pure and undefiled the deposit of revelation. “Neither in the confusion of paganism”, says St. Augustine, “nor in the defilement of heresy, nor in the lethargy of schism, nor yet in blindness of Judaism is religion to be sought; but among those alone who are called Catholic Christians, or the orthodox, that is, the custodians of sound doctrine and followers of right teaching” (De Vera Relig., cap. v).
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Well, you certainly have that quote down, but you didn’t answer my three questions.

I don’t care if you are upset with the Church. Anger is a natural emotion. I do have a problem with lashing out against the Bishop, who is acting with authority regardless of your opinion, in a public forum. I don’t believe that St. Augustine would agree with you and in fact I don’t believe that the quote you keep using even supports your position.

Peace

Tim
 
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Orogeny:
Well, you certainly have that quote down, but you didn’t answer my three questions.

I don’t care if you are upset with the Church. Anger is a natural emotion. I do have a problem with lashing out against the Bishop, who is acting with authority regardless of your opinion, in a public forum. I don’t believe that St. Augustine would agree with you and in fact I don’t believe that the quote you keep using even supports your position.

Peace

Tim
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Yea, I guess you are right the bishop dosen’t have to do right by the members of the diocese or be accountable for poor decisions.
 
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Douay-Rheims:
Yea, I guess you are right the bishop dosen’t have to do right by the members of the diocese or be accountable for poor decisions.
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As I noted before, you can be upset with him and his decisions. Rather than airing it on a public forum, why not just pray for him.

Peace

Tim
 
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