I'm Sick of all this!

[dhgray]

Douay-Rheims:

Oh I’ll never leave the Church because it’s Christ’s. But, I’ve decided If I can’t get orthodoxy then this diocese can’t have anymore of my money (they arn’t good stewards of it anyway). I will find a way to send it straight to the Holy Father in Rome.

Who are you or any of us to tell the Church how to spend the money. Do they come in to your bank account and tell you where and how to spend your money?
I undersand your frustration and anger towards the “POOR” Stewards. My phlosophy is this: I GIVE TO GOD BY GIVING TO THE CHURCH. What the Church does with the money is between them and God.

 

[Catholic29]

Douay-Rheims:

What right does this bishop have to decide this? I’m sick of this Jackson Diocese! Where is the orthodoxy? Where is the leadership? Stewardship, where is that??? No, money coming from parishes, charities, or foundations. O’ya then where is it coming from then, Bishop Latino?!?!?!?!? All you have accomplished is opening the door for more crack pots to sue the Church!!! I’m tired of my money being wasted! I’m not being fed here!! They’re protestantnising the masses, the churches, the religious ed, and a host of other programs! I wish there were a Eastern Rite Church (separate from this asinine diocese) around here. I’d be there now!

Here is what I’m railing about.

Diocese settles abuse lawsuits

I’ve read the documents on this law suit. I’m no lawyer, but even I could have shot holes through those claims!

What am I to do?? I’m so sick right now? If it weren’t for the knowledge of who started the Church I’d leave to be part of NO church.

I too have been a witness to hypocrisy such as this. And you have every right to be disgusted as I have been. Its not uncommon in our time for bishops to promulgate directives which are at odds Rome’s teachings.

Thats why I am contemplating leaving the Church and Christianity as a whole, especially since it is apparent there is no magisterial system in place to correct wayward bishops. The Holy See just assumes they will be in lock step with every decision or dogmatic teaching they define by virtue of their ordination alone. But unfortunately that doesn’t work, and in some places it hasn’t. Since I know of whole openly heterodox cafeteria parishes that exist, which certain dioceses and bishops do little or nothing about. And here are some examples: gay-friendly parishes

Though I honestly don’t take this decision of leaving the Church lightly, there is I must say a strong case being formed in my mind for doing so.

Anyway I gave this thread a five star rating * * * * *

 

[Scoobyshme]

Do not surrender to the enemy! This is exactly what he wants! Have courage! Join the fight with us! Take up your weapons and defend Jesus Christ in His Mystical Body, the Church! Those weapons are prayer, sacrifice, self-denial, mortification, penance, fasting, etc.! Educate yourself on the teachings of the Church. I highly recommend Fr. John Corapi’s new DVD series “Surrender is NOT an Option!” that you can find at the following website: fathercorapi.com

One of the problems we have in the Church today, one of the reasons it is so easy for us to be attacked and for Jesus to be attacked, is that we are weak. We cower when we should stand upright and do what is required! We are the Church militant! Engage the enemy. He is attacking within and without. Now is the time to be vigilant and fight!

 

[DILCIA]

Scoobyshme:

Do not surrender to the enemy! This is exactly what he wants! Have courage! Join the fight with us! Take up your weapons and defend Jesus Christ in His Mystical Body, the Church! Those weapons are prayer, sacrifice, self-denial, mortification, penance, fasting, etc.! Educate yourself on the teachings of the Church. I highly recommend Fr. John Corapi’s new DVD series “Surrender is NOT an Option!” that you can find at the following website: fathercorapi.com

One of the problems we have in the Church today, one of the reasons it is so easy for us to be attacked and for Jesus to be attacked, is that we are weak. We cower when we should stand upright and do what is required! We are the Church militant! Engage the enemy. He is attacking within and without. Now is the time to be vigilant and fight!

You are absolutely right! Father John Corapi is right! We are in a war with evil, the devil! We have to pray, pray and pray! Never surrender as Sir Winston Churchill said in WWII. We have to keep fighting and never give up even if all seems lost. What ever happens God knows about it and we have to trust in him. We are all sinners and let him who is without sin cast the first stone!

 

[johnnykins]

Catholic29:

I too have been a witness to hypocrisy such as this. And you have every right to be disgusted as I have been. Its not uncommon in our time for bishops to promulgate directives which are at odds Rome’s teachings.

Thats why I am contemplating leaving the Church and Christianity as a whole, especially since it is apparent there is no magisterial system in place to correct wayward bishops. The Holy See just assumes they will be in lock step with every decision or dogmatic teaching they define by virtue of their ordination alone. But unfortunately that doesn’t work, and in some places it hasn’t. Since I know of whole openly heterodox cafeteria parishes that exist, which certain dioceses and bishops do little or nothing about. And here are some examples: gay-friendly parishes

Though I honestly don’t take this decision of leaving the Church lightly, there is I must say a strong case being formed in my mind for doing so.

Anyway I gave this thread a five star rating * * * * *

The Church has always battled error - especially from the episcopacy and other clergy - Nestorius, Arius, Luther, etc.

Supposedly, Napoleon told the Pope he would destroy the Church. The Pope responded that the priests hadn’t been able to do it and Napoleon wouldn’t either.

I had a friend who used to say that the Church is like Noah’s Ark - except for what’s happening outside you couldn’t stand the stench inside.

Courage my friend - nothing new under the sun.

Pax te cum

 

[H_Opey]

D R
We too are in the Diocese of Jackson. I know what you are talking about with regards to the cases having no merit, but doesn’t your heart ache for the victims and the abusers? It does me.
Why not writing a letter to the MS Catholic expressing how you felt mislead into thinking that these were “no big things”.
I think they were. Or at least some were. It is so so very sad that one of the mother’s will not accept any apologies from the diocese. That is very sad.

 

[johnnykins]

I had a priest who once told me he was convinced the Lord chose Peter to head his Church because Peter was just like us. Peter denied the Lord. Peter drew a sword and cut off the ear of the High priest’s servant. Peter agreed to the change of dietary rules and then was cowed by the locals into not eating with gentiles - and Paul had to call him on it.

The bishops and priests today are no less weak than Peter. Yet, the Church continues to preach the message of God. How? Because it is the Church. And when we sin or fall short - well, so did Peter. There is comfort in that.

 

[Crumpy]

Douay-Rheims:

Where is the obedience? What am I to be obidiant to? custodians of unsound doctrine?!?!
Those same custodians of that are afoul of orthodoxy?

I have not been attending Mass in the diocese of Saginaw Michigan, for various reasons, but not including widespread sexual abuse by priests. We have been blessed by very little of that, to our knowledge.

but, I’m right there with your outrage over the lack of orthodoxy.

I wrote over 100 letters to my former parish pastor about his insults to me, over several issues.

I wanted to start a bible reading and discussion group in the parish, but he didn’t think that was in the best interest of all (his owrds) when I asked him five years ago.

Unknown to me, the diocese was working to get some adult formation started iin the parishes, including bible study – and that, using Catholic Services Appeals money, to boot.

So, not only was my pastor insulting my intelligence, he was working counter-productively to the diocesan effort.

It appears that his agenda was to keep me out of the project, because a bible study group was started up just a couple months ago. I’m a guy, and the group study is run by the locale female DRE.

Incidentally, she is one of the modernists, with a skeptical view of the authenticity of scripture. Her course might as well be subtitled, “the lore of the bible.” She is definitely not a subscriber of what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says about the Bible. It doesn’t say to just get your local biased scholar’s point of view – it says to consider all that the Church has taught about scripture – nothing was thrown out.

Of course, I don’t feel totally right about all this. I’d rather be going to Mass, if I could find a priest who was trustworthy, not just popular.

The new bishop is “cleaning up the mess from the last bishop” as I had forecast. He rules out having fruit, honey, sugar, and oil, for example, in altar breads. At, nearly at the first anniversary of his installation, he also came down against having lay people delivering sermons at Mass. He’s also had a seminar on the GIRM so people would know what to expect.

He was beseiged by lay people who were exasperated about Mass, when to stand and sit and kneel. He could see that the diocese was in chaos.

That’s a good start, and it tells me that this Bishop has been “told” about what’s been going on here. And, he has publicized his goal of greatly reversing the dwindling number of priests. He has more seminarians in school in one year, than the previous bishop had in 25 years.

 

[Crumpy]

George Weigel, the Washington intellectual, had a column two months ago about reformers in the Church.

He says that there are plenty of reformers who want a “rupture” with the past, and want a lot of shaky innovations. Actually, he was citing the Pope talking about this last December. The Pope counts himself as a VaticanII reformer who is dedicated to the incremental and non-destructive changes that the Council had actually authorized.

Like so many have predicted, Benedict will come out with directives about the Liturgy of the Mass. Don’t forget, he was already involved in issuing the Catechism, to address a lot of the unauthorized doctrinal innovations introduced since VaticanII.

You know, I may be deceiving myself, but I think that the Lord understands that I will not line up like a sheep behind any priest or bishop with just any doctrinal or organizational agenda. In the first place, they change so frequently and so fast. I’m with you, I’m too tired for that nonsense.

 

[Jeanette_L]

One of the reasons I came to the conclusion that the Catholic Church was the true Church and where I needed to be is that I finally, by God’s grace, saw the big picture. In that, I mean that it isn’t all about what I think, or what my circumstances are, or what I feel about this or that or the other. There is a bigger plan than I can see just by my own circumstances or my own place in time. I have to trust that God has it all under control, and my job is to do my own little part in this place in the timeline I have been assigned and leave the big pieces of the puzzle to Him.

You don’t have to get all crazy about all of these things. God sees all, He is in control. We are to pray, to love and to be faithful as He has called us. Let him deal with the Bishops…we just need to engage in our part of the warfare, PRAY, PRAY, PRAY, and let your light shine among men.