Imagine rolling up to your kids elementary class and being greeted by this

[Nepperhan]

I can not tell if the looter is part of the idea or organization and very few are denouncing the violence.

You can tell that there is far more protesting than looting. Look, ‘black lives matter’ is a slogan. It is wrong for you to try to tie it to looting, Marxism or anything else. I think you know that.

 

[upant]

You can tell that there is far more protesting than looting. Look, ‘black lives matter’ is a slogan. It is wrong for you to try to tie it to looting, Marxism or anything else. I think you know that.

the looters are tying it to BLM, nobody else is.

 

[vz71]

The thought “Black Lives Matter” has not caused violence or criminal activity.

So when the school writes it in a board, are you claiming to know the intention?
Their message seemed rather ambiguous…it would be difficult to claim one knows if they are referring to a group or just mindlessly writing slogans.
However, the sign does not exist in a vacuum.
The current political climate tells us as much.

The simple phrase may be innocuous. But in the climate it exists in, one would have to go out of their way to make sure that is the meaning.

 

[vz71]

To believe that the expression is just three little words, with no greater significance is naive at best.

Correct.
We could claim to know it was an innocuous slogan. But given the charged political atmosphere that it exists in, that is naive.

 

[Nepperhan]

the looters are tying it to BLM, nobody else is.

I’ve personally seen looters and I’ve cleaned up after looters. They are just thieves. Anything they tie to their thievery is just an excuse.

It has nothing to do with BLM, no matter how much you’d like to connect it.

 

[Nepperhan]

So when the school writes it in a board, are you claiming to know the intention?
Their message seemed rather ambiguous…it would be difficult to claim one knows if they are referring to a group or just mindlessly writing slogans.
However, the sign does not exist in a vacuum.
The current political climate tells us as much.

The simple phrase may be innocuous. But in the climate it exists in, one would have to go out of their way to make sure that is the meaning.

To believe that the expression is just three little words, with no greater significance is naive at best.

You could say the same thing about “In God We Trust”, the slogan of America.

 

[vz71]

You could say the same thing about “In God We Trust”, the slogan of America.

No, you really can’t.
There is no political group out there calling themselves that.
There are no people calling that out as a cry towards violence.

The political climate in no way makes it difficult to know if someone is quoting a slogan or invoking a call to violence.

 

[MikeInVA]

No, you really can’t.

“In God We Trust” is four words!

 

[upant]

It has nothing to do with BLM, no matter how much you’d like to connect it.

you can’t prove it has nothing to do with BLM

you keep making it personal, I just see the results and hear the people involved speak, they don’t agree with you. there has been ample evidence of BLM harassing people or calling for violence and no one knows if they are the organization or individuals in the movement.

Greater New York Black Lives Matter leader Hawke Newsome made an appearance on Fox News Wednesday night and threatened to burn the country down if demands aren’t met.

“If this country doesn’t give us what we want then we will burn down the system and replace it. All right. And I could be speaking figuratively, I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation," Newsome said.

even the so-called peaceful protesters in DC, Pittsburgh, Rochester, and Denver have been harassing people eating dinner at restaurants outside.

(bold mine)

Yesterday I was enjoying a late lunch in Pittsburgh on an outdoor table when a “peaceful” demonstration came though right past us. I was shocked with what I experienced next. We witnessed demonstrators bullying, harassing and physically assaulting random people simply walking past them or quietly enjoying a meal. Drinks were taken out of restaurant patrons hands and drank before throwing to the ground. People were shaken & scared as they ran away from their tables around us.

 

[vz71]

“In God We Trust” is four words!

2 points for you.

 

[SlavaIsusuChristu]

The argument isn’t what the statement makes, it’s what it implies. The implications are all bad.

 

[Pattylt]

I understand. I don’t agree but I understand.

I just don’t buy into the fear of conspiracies, the fear of Marxism, the fear of teh gayz, etc. but, I’m not religious, plus I’m old…I just don’t fear much anymore. I’m very active in my grandkids schooling. I watch my 15yo online classes at will. These fears just aren’t happening in these kids school lives. I won’t deny it may be happening somewhere but it’s not happening here and I’d bet it’s not happening in most schools. If parents or grandparents aren’t involved in their kids schooling but are reading these articles and assuming it’s happening everywhere, they need to get more involved to calm themselves down. Believe it or not, kids are much more influenced by their parents views than their teachers. In HS, it’s their peers…until they finish growing up and return to their parents values…usually. Even college liberalism wears off after college…usually. I’m just not one to fall for every “sky is falling” out there. But, I’ve noticed, many are.

 

[SlavaIsusuChristu]

Some are more sensitive than others, no doubt about it. And I wouldn’t think most people are afraid of gays? That’s kind of silly, if you ask me. What parents are afraid of is the forced indoctrination of lgbtq that is happening in public schools. I know, I see it first hand. I am a Registered Behavioral Technician and I am currently teaching 7th and 8th graders and get to sit in on some of their gen ed classes (one of which is a health class). How militant it is presented depends entirely on the teacher. Teachers who don’t agree with the material will rush through it and get it over with asap. Those that support the "movement’ will really drag it on and promote it any way they can. Regardless of who is presenting it, the material is there, and it is being pushed on the kids. This is wrong.

 

[MNathaniel]

the fear of teh gayz

I don’t think that’s a fair characterization of Catholic beliefs or preferences about what to teach their own children about theology of the body or sexual ethics.

 

[Pattylt]

I don’t think that’s a fair characterization of Catholic beliefs or preferences about what to teach their own children on matters of sexual ethics.

No, I didn’t mean to sound like I was speaking of catholic beliefs…sorry. . But it does describe some people’s fears and beliefs. I actually appreciate that Catholics separate the attraction from the act. There are still many that connect them even though they say otherwise, no?

I know I’m different from you all. I don’t think children learning that homosexuality is a part of many people’s lives and families. The ideal family is mom, dad and kids but so very many already don’t fit that mold and yet have a loving supporting family that’s outside the norm. Learning how common a non conforming families are takes the shame out and let’s those kids feel comfortable with their own situations.

Of course your sexual values should also be taught in the home. It may clash with the school is teaching but that allows opportunities to defend your own teaching. Believe me, they are exposed to it without any teacher being involved. Perhaps this can encourage more parents to actually discuss catholic morals with their kids to counter the lessons they learn outside the family. For too long, many parents didn’t discuss anything as it can be uncomfortable. There are a bunch of very ignorant kids out there. They will eventually figure things out from friends…not a great source of knowledge. Having to counter what the schools teach will give your children the knowledge to make life decisions with the full range of knowledge needed to navigate in our secular society. I think the only reason to fear kids learning about gays in school is if they aren’t teaching their own values at home. Kids need to hear all of it. JMHO. I know I think differently from you but I think there is room in kids brains to learn it all and go forward with knowledge rather than locker room talk.

 

[gam197]

I know I’m different from you all. I don’t think children learning that homosexuality is a part of many people’s lives and families. The ideal family is mom, dad and kids but so very many already don’t fit that mold and yet have a loving supporting family that’s outside the norm. Learning how common a non conforming families are takes the shame out and let’s those kids feel comfortable with their own situations.

Can I ask what do you hope to get from coming on a Catholic forum site?

 

[JanR]

I noticed that, too. But, what can we expect when they don’t teach spelling, anymore?

 

[Pattylt]

Can I ask what do you hope to get from coming on a Catholic forum site?

I’ve gained a wealth of knowledge of Catholic beliefs. I rarely speak of my own as that’s not why I’m here. I had a best friend when I was young that was Catholic and while I’ve learned quite a bit of Protestant beliefs, I was lacking in what made Catholics different. I enjoy learning. I’ve made friends here. I even support the site. If I’m going to believe differently about another faith, I want to make sure I understand what those differences are. I’m not anti religion. I very much support everyone’s right to their beliefs. This topic was an area that I failed to understand why someone would object to the sign…other than it’s a bit of virtue signaling. As the discussion has continued, I’m learning why.

 

[gam197]

I am glad you are not anti-religion, It appears you come from some kind of Christian belief or knowledge of it. I just was curious because there are so many people who come on this site who are not Catholic. Thanks for your response.

 

[Pattylt]

While I did spend a long time looking into Christianity, I actually come from an Orthodox Jewish background. Now, I’m just an agnostic!