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lakotak
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Since looking over the issues with vaccines, is aborted fetus materials also used in the medicines that we take, not just the vaccines?
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RSD
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Yes. If I seem incredulous, and keep asking the same questions that have already been answered, it is because I am sick with horror. This has been going on for years, I allowed my children to be vaccinated, and I never knew. One of the links said that the inclusion of aborted fetal material was never “hidden” from the public, but frankly it never occurred to me to ask. Now, do I have to ask about every medical treatment “Does this derive from murdered babies?” Can you understand that even if somebody sitting in their chair in an ivory tower has some rationalization for me, it doesn’t help, it makes it worse. The people who are rationalizing, why weren’t they giving sermons, spreading pamphlets, letting us know many years ago? One of the links said that we should “put pressure” on the pharmaceutical companies to provide morally acceptable alternatives. Well, the only pressure that these companies will respond to is pressure in the pocket book- if we refuse to use these evil and depraved products.
I beg that no one tries to respond to me by telling my why it is really all right to use these vaccines. All your reassurances add to my deep distress.
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LLMom
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I totally understand about being upset at not being told. When I found out, I was horrified and haven’t vaccinated my children since that time with the bad vaccines. But now I am in a situation where at least one child will be going to Catholic school (and maybe more) so it is an issue I must face. People have often challenged me with things like do you avoid all products that give to planned parenthood to kill babies, do you not use credit card companies and phone companies that do the same, do you not invest in businesses that give to these mills, etc. The answer is that I try to avoid them, but it is impossible to avoid them all.
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Bookcat
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By the way…as to “avoiding” various companies…etc…one is not obliged to “Boycott”…of course one does not want to give directly to such as PP but one is not obliged per se to not shop at another store just cause they give…but one can of course choose another one…as you note…it is very very difficult to avoid all such companies…
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steveandersen
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is it even adoption for them to change this rule?
probably to retain their certification for the school they have to comply with public health Regs regarding vaccines
I had no idea that tissue from abortions was used to make vacines
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LLMom
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Actually in the state I live, you can claim a religious exemption for any or all of the vaccines so I can send my child to public school without getting them. I just wanted a good Catholic school because the public schools here are awful.
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RSD
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For those of you who want to tell me that it is all right to use these vaccines with a clear conscience, I will just mention a couple of considerations that weigh heavily with me:
- Although we talk of tissue from aborted babies, implying that first the abortion took place, then the “tissue” was removed, in order for these cells to keep on multiplying they have to be alive. That means that this tiny baby was cut into, I am totally certain without the use of anesthetic, while he or she was still alive. I don’t know if the baby was delivered first, cut up as needed and then killed, or if this operation was done before the baby was delivered. Since an abortion is supposed to not bother the mother I would guess that the baby had to be delivered alive, and then cut up. One of the cell lines is said to be derived from “retinal tissue” which has a nice sterile sound to it, until you realize that that means that the baby’s eye was cut out, while still alive. Since babies intended for abortion are not really people, this would have been done without anesthetic. It turns my stomach to think of.
- This was done in Sweden in the 1960’s before abortion was even legal here. That means that American drug companies managed to work it out that it was legal to use this “tissue” from abroad before it would have been legal to obtain it here. I cannot imagine that even those who were pro-abortion in those days would have been accepting of actually getting tissue from aborted babies injected into their own babies if they had known. Nowadays people are so hardened to the constant refrain of “medicine from fetal cells” they accept it.
- In some ways the worst aspect of this to me is the complete and total lack of informed consent. The drug companies have totally gotten away with this because so many people did not know. I am appalled that it was not legally required that we be told what was in those vaccines before agreeing to give them to our children.
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Bookcat
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Check out the April issue…look at the chart regarding Chickenpox…look at the change point…(there may be something to this…it will be interesting and helpful once all the research is done…)–it is the second page of the download
soundchoice.org/education.html
for more science info read the Scientific Publications
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PRmerger
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The link just took me to the home page. Is there something specific you’d like me to see regarding chicken pox?
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DibaSr23
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Vaccines like Chicken pox are a public health concern…that is why you must have it to go to school.
What concerns me most is the disrespect for the Arch-Bishop here. Have you ever thought that he might have more information that us? Do you think he might know what is going on? Even if you disagree with him to openly blast him in a public forum is in poor taste.
You posted this here LLMom and then also called the show, apparently not getting the answer from Karl Keating you wanted. I believe he said, it is not immoral to use such vaccines.
If you want this type of education, you have to play ball with Dallas Diocese.
What concerns me most is the disrespect for the Arch-Bishop here. Have you ever thought that he might have more information that us? Do you think he might know what is going on? Even if you disagree with him to openly blast him in a public forum is in poor taste.
You posted this here LLMom and then also called the show, apparently not getting the answer from Karl Keating you wanted. I believe he said, it is not immoral to use such vaccines.
If you want this type of education, you have to play ball with Dallas Diocese.
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Bookcat
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Yes under eduction …read the april newsletter…second page has chart with when Ck pox vacc was introduced…
soundchoice.org/education.html
More there on the site too…
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LLMom
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I guess you haven’t read the posts well. I did not blast the Archbishop (I meerly said his reply was no) nor did I say that they were immoral. I already know they aren’t immoral to use if I decided in good conscience, I can do that. BTW, it’s not the Dallas Diiocese.
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PRmerger
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I don’t enter into discussions regarding this supposed “link” between vaccines and autism. I put that in the category with other things I won’t discuss:
-6000 year old earth
-the Rapture
-9/11 Conspiracy
-Moon landing hoax
Clearly, all of the above have “data” to support their theories…
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PaulinVA
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Could we expand this discussion to include what are the moral follow-on actions after one has decided not to vaccinate one’s children? Can you refuse to vaccinate and then morally send your children into the general population of a school?
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Bookcat
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Hum you just did.I don’t enter into discussions regarding this supposed “link” between vaccines and autism. I put that in the category with other things I won’t discuss:
-6000 year old earth
-the Rapture
-9/11 Conspiracy
-Moon landing hoax
Clearly, all of the above have “data” to support their theories…
Anyhow…
Hers is a very legit research…I do not go in for that which is not…
(and this is not what has been suggested in the past…this is about residual DNA)
Her background:
Dr. Deisher is an internationally renowned expert in the field of adult stem cell therapies and regenerative medicine, bringing 17 years of practice in senior scientific and corporate leadership positions concerning research, discovery, production and commercialization of human therapeutics. Tracy has earned numerous prestigious honors and awards for her pioneering scientific discovery and her distinguished scientific research has resulted in 23 patents issued in her name with such illustrious biotech organizations as Amgen, where she was named Principal Scientist, ZymoGenetics, Repligen and Immunex.
Dr. Deisher’s discoveries, particularly in the fields of cardiovascular biology and stem cell research, continue to be considered some of the most significant in the scientific community, including her initial discovery and identification of adult heart stem cells. She has published numerous scientific manuscripts as well as materials for lay people on the factual aspects of adult stem cell research successes. Dr. Deisher is often sought out for her candid and rational look at the scientific research that is being done in the field of regenerative medicine and stem cell research and is a frequent international lecturer and guest speaker in the area of stem cell technology and regenerative medicine.
Dr. Deisher graduated with honors and distinction from Stanford University, and obtained her Ph.D. in Molecular and Cellular Physiology from Stanford University
soundchoice.org/leadership.html
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StFrancisXavier
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Common sense should tell you not to pump your children full of drugs at such a young age. Our ancestors didn’t do it and more people are opting out of doing it. Our son’s pediatrician about blew a gasket when we told her, but she said more people are opting out.
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Orogeny
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Yeah, back in the good old days of polio our ancestors didn’t pump their children full of drugs. I can’t imagine why anyone would want to do so.
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StFrancisXavier
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How many people in your family died from polio? Tracing our family back to the 1700’s, not one.Yeah, back in the good old days of polio our ancestors didn’t pump their children full of drugs. I can’t imagine why anyone would want to do so.
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Tim
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