IMO... It's better to be Protestant, but tell me why it's better to be Catholic

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I cannot take you seriously with that avatar!😛

You want to be a truly adopted son/daughter of God? Honor His Mother as your own. Her love and guidance will lead you closer into the arms of her Son. Remain in her heart, and you will remain in Christ’s. Peace. 🙂
Please put on your brown bag happy face on just for the day. I know you want Christian unity too. 🙂
 
Is there another meaning to “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”?

what do you think he meant?

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All within context. If this is person’s life, then it is a good indication that he was never in Christ in the first place. Consider 1 John.
 
Why is it better to be a Catholic? Because Catholicism carries greater continuity with the early Church, the Church of the Apostles, than does Protestantism.

In the early Church, bishops were held with great esteem. Sins had to be forgiven by the community, with public penance. Salvation required faith, but faith in love through works. The Eucharist was held to really be Jesus. Prayers were said for the dead. Martyrs and confessors were venerated. Baptism really was thought to transform the recipient. And Mary was claimed to be the New Eve.

Although some of the details are changed, can anyone honestly say that the above picture is more Protestant than Catholic?

But there is an experiential dimension to this as well, and this cannot be understated. Here are some key points in my experience:

(1) Absolution of sins. I used to be a Protestant, so I know what its like to pray to God for forgiveness. And that experience is powerful. But it cannot compare to the experience of confessing before a priest, who, acting in persona Christi, forgives you. Hearing the words adds a new dimension to the experience.

(2) The Eucharist. On a Catholic understanding, the Eucharist really is Jesus. You can share a moment of intimacy with your Lord unlike any other. Think about the offensiveness of eating Christ to human standards. To a human, this seems degrading, humiliating; but to Christ, it is his reward for his suffering at Calvary!! There is no greater love than this.

But the Eucharist is not limited to communion. There is also Benediction and Adoration. Adoration has touched me in profound ways.

(3) Saintly Intercession. Catholics do not pray to saints - rather, they ask saints to pray for them. When you are beaten down, you have a whole host of friends you can ask for aid and look up to as models of imitating Christ.

(4) Suffering. Protestantism all too easily slides into a prosperity gospel, where worldly success becomes a mark of divine election. By contrast, Catholicism stresses the need for suffering as part of the imitation of Christ. Suffering is part of our redemption; it forms part of our salvation.

Yes, Christ has paid the price of our sins, but he expects us to carry our crosses. I can speak from experience when I say that suffering is transformative. I went through a period of several months in which I lost all my friends, a girlfriend of 2 years, and received various threats on my life; a relative was being imprisoned; and I had a head-on car collision with a tree. By no means do I claim to be rid of all vanity, but this experience certainly did re-orient my mind onto what’s really important and taught me to be more content in all situations, as Paul stresses.

(5) Marriage. Although I disagree with some of the details, JPII’s theology of the body is profound articulation of the beauty of faithful, free, productive, lifelong, loving sexual expression. The heart of marriage is in the giving of persons to one another. It mimics the Trinity - for as the love of the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father is the Spirit, so the child is the expression of the love between spouses. Moreover, it is a model of Christ’s love (the Bridegroom) for the Church (the Bride) - and that is Scriptural. Ephesians, I believe…

Nowhere in Protestantism have I seen articulated such a theology of marriage. Moreover, more and more Protestants treat children as optional within a marriage. This, I think, does great violence to the institution. Children are integral to the meaning of self-giving in sexuality.

All that said, I don’t believe a Catholic needs to be enamored with the hierarchy or agree with all the teachings. Some teachings are fallible, and I vehemently disagree with them; the hierarchy is often self-serving, as in the case of bishops hiding pedophiles and misappropriating Church funds. The Church is always in need of reformation. But the Protestant movement is less a reformation and more a revolution. Reformations occur within the institution; revolutions without.
 
I believe salvation is through the God-Man, Christ Jesus and not the Catholic Church exclusively. Consider this verse to understand my point of view:

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, - 1 Tim

So, the one mediator between God and men is not contained within the walls of the Catholic Church.
Amen!!!
 
Is there another meaning to “No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day.”?

what do you think he meant?

🤷
I’ve told many a person that no matter what you have done, just turn to God and confess your sins. Go to confession. There is no sin too many or too great. You can’t somehow put yourself beyond his reach. (Note: I am talking to living people, who are not dead, who want to be together with God). I’ve never spoken with someone who did adultery thousands of times a day, though. Perhaps it just means to express something that must be worse than whatever the penitent person is imagining they’ve done.

Or, perhaps it is a commentary on the abundant merits of Christ?

I found Calvin easier to understand than Luther. Luther doesn’t talk in a way I understand.
 
I believe salvation is through the God-Man, Christ Jesus and not the Catholic Church exclusively. Consider this verse to understand my point of view:

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, - 1 Tim

So, the one mediator between God and men is not contained within the walls of the Catholic Church.
Hello brother! Do believe your view point is infallible?
 
I believe salvation is through the God-Man, Christ Jesus and not the Catholic Church exclusively. Consider this verse to understand my point of view:

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, - 1 Tim

So, the one mediator between God and men is not contained within the walls of the Catholic Church.
What you are missing here is that Jesus set up the Catholic church to spread his teachings and administer his sacraments to the nations. Have you never read Matthew 28: 18-20?:

18 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age

So Jesus set up his church to be his intermediary to the nations. Why are separating yourself from that church?
 
Me too and God Bless
Do you mind putting on the brown bag happy face in support of Christian unity for the day? If you decide to, just go to your Profile, and avatar and select the brown bag happy face for a call for unity. 🙂 I’m just wondering what percentage of Catholics see a need for unity with Protestants.
 
If I was a betting man, I would say sacred tradition would eventually come around to Jesus as being the ultimate source of our common salvation. The Catholic Church is just a means to receive the benefits of the God-man Christ Jesus in which He merited for us by His sinless life and sacrificial death. We are to received what Christ merited for us by the instrument of faith. Do you agree or disagree?
The Catholic Church is the only ecclessial body (with the possible exception of the Orthodox) that is not a purely man-made institution. It is populated by people (making it human), but it was founded by Jesus Christ (making it divine). And to set the record straight, we are not justified just by His death, but also by His resurrection, as St. Paul wrote as led by the Holy Spirit: If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. (1 Corinthians 15:17). The Catholic Church is not “just a means” to an end. The Church is not merely one of the flights you can take to Heaven. The Church is the very Bride of Christ. Christ does not have many Brides, but one, and so it follows that He did not found many churches, but One. Further, I cannot accept that Jesus is pleased, nor did He intend, the so-called “diversity” which has come to fruition in the form of thousands of distinct denominations.
 
I believe salvation is through the God-Man, Christ Jesus and not the Catholic Church exclusively. Consider this verse to understand my point of view:

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, - 1 Tim

So, the one mediator between God and men is not contained within the walls of the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church agrees. The teaching since Vatican II is that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church - but does not do so exclusively. Not only can Protestants be saved through the mediation of Christ, who is the sole mediator, but so can Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc.

It is only because of Christ’s sacrifice that anyone can be saved - but receiving grace is primarily through love, not through faith.
 
Hello brother! Do believe your view point is infallible?
Hi, I’m not sure if my view is simply a view. God gave us one means to reconcile Himself from Himself, and to Himself… and that is by Jesus Christ, the second person of the blessed Trinity.
 
What you are missing here is that Jesus set up the Catholic church to spread his teachings and administer his sacraments to the nations. Have you never read Matthew 28: 18-20?:

18 Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age

So Jesus set up his church to be his intermediary to the nations. Why are separating yourself from that church?
That’s a great verse which needs to be understood with the rest of Scripture, church history and tradtions that are true.
 
Do you mind putting on the brown bag happy face in support of Christian unity for the day? If you decide to, just go to your Profile, and avatar and select the brown bag happy face for a call for unity. 🙂 I’m just wondering what percentage of Catholics see a need for unity with Protestants.
We see a need for real unity. Unity under the successor of St. Peter, Prince of the Apostles.
 
The Catholic Church is the only ecclessial body (with the possible exception of the Orthodox) that is not a purely man-made institution. It is populated by people (making it human), but it was founded by Jesus Christ (making it divine). And to set the record straight, we are not justified just by His death, but also by His resurrection, as St. Paul wrote as led by the Holy Spirit: If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. (1 Corinthians 15:17). The Catholic Church is not “just a means” to an end. The Church is not merely one of the flights you can take to Heaven. The Church is the very Bride of Christ. Christ does not have many Brides, but one, and so it follows that He did not found many churches, but One. Further, I cannot accept that Jesus is pleased, nor did He intend, the so-called “diversity” which has come to fruition in the form of thousands of distinct denominations.
I guess you won’t be putting on the brown bag happy face avatar very soon.
 
The Catholic Church agrees. The teaching since Vatican II is that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church - but does not do so exclusively. Not only can Protestants be saved through the mediation of Christ, who is the sole mediator, but so can Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, etc.

It is only because of Christ’s sacrifice that anyone can be saved - but receiving grace is primarily through love, not through faith.
This is where I disagree with the Catholic Church… for I do not believe Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and other non-Christians can be saved apart from faith in Christ. I believe children from a Christan household of faith can be saved apart from personal faith in Christ.
 
Why is it better to be a Catholic? Because Catholicism carries greater continuity with the early Church, the Church of the Apostles, than does Protestantism.

In the early Church, bishops were held with great esteem. Sins had to be forgiven by the community, with public penance. Salvation required faith, but faith in love through works. The Eucharist was held to really be Jesus. Prayers were said for the dead. Martyrs and confessors were venerated. Baptism really was thought to transform the recipient. And Mary was claimed to be the New Eve.

Although some of the details are changed, can anyone honestly say that the above picture is more Protestant than Catholic?

But there is an experiential dimension to this as well, and this cannot be understated. Here are some key points in my experience:

(1) Absolution of sins. I used to be a Protestant, so I know what its like to pray to God for forgiveness. And that experience is powerful. But it cannot compare to the experience of confessing before a priest, who, acting in persona Christi, forgives you. Hearing the words adds a new dimension to the experience.

(2) The Eucharist. On a Catholic understanding, the Eucharist really is Jesus. You can share a moment of intimacy with your Lord unlike any other. Think about the offensiveness of eating Christ to human standards. To a human, this seems degrading, humiliating; but to Christ, it is his reward for his suffering at Calvary!! There is no greater love than this.

But the Eucharist is not limited to communion. There is also Benediction and Adoration. Adoration has touched me in profound ways.

(3) Saintly Intercession. Catholics do not pray to saints - rather, they ask saints to pray for them. When you are beaten down, you have a whole host of friends you can ask for aid and look up to as models of imitating Christ.

(4) Suffering. Protestantism all too easily slides into a prosperity gospel, where worldly success becomes a mark of divine election. By contrast, Catholicism stresses the need for suffering as part of the imitation of Christ. Suffering is part of our redemption; it forms part of our salvation.

Yes, Christ has paid the price of our sins, but he expects us to carry our crosses. I can speak from experience when I say that suffering is transformative. I went through a period of several months in which I lost all my friends, a girlfriend of 2 years, and received various threats on my life; a relative was being imprisoned; and I had a head-on car collision with a tree. By no means do I claim to be rid of all vanity, but this experience certainly did re-orient my mind onto what’s really important and taught me to be more content in all situations, as Paul stresses.

(5) Marriage. Although I disagree with some of the details, JPII’s theology of the body is profound articulation of the beauty of faithful, free, productive, lifelong, loving sexual expression. The heart of marriage is in the giving of persons to one another. It mimics the Trinity - for as the love of the Father for the Son and the Son for the Father is the Spirit, so the child is the expression of the love between spouses. Moreover, it is a model of Christ’s love (the Bridegroom) for the Church (the Bride) - and that is Scriptural. Ephesians, I believe…

Nowhere in Protestantism have I seen articulated such a theology of marriage. Moreover, more and more Protestants treat children as optional within a marriage. This, I think, does great violence to the institution. Children are integral to the meaning of self-giving in sexuality.

All that said, I don’t believe a Catholic needs to be enamored with the hierarchy or agree with all the teachings. Some teachings are fallible, and I vehemently disagree with them; the hierarchy is often self-serving, as in the case of bishops hiding pedophiles and misappropriating Church funds. The Church is always in need of reformation. But the Protestant movement is less a reformation and more a revolution. Reformations occur within the institution; revolutions without.
You sound like a torn Catholic with the Spirit of Luther in you… 😉
 
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