Impeach Trump?

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So you are acknowledging that free trade only exists in theory, not in the real world?

I said driving for balanced trade is reasonable and in the best interests of our country,
please counter IF you have an argument.
Balanced trade is not reasonable nor good for the country. If we believe in the principle of consumer sovereignty the only person who can rightly decide who to buy from is the buyer. Government cannot improve on the behavior of buyer and seller. There is a fatal conceit out there among people who believe that people cannot manage their own affairs but that we need the heavy hand of government to control them.
 
I think you are confused on what has been happening.
  1. Leaders aren’t always followed, which is the case with healthcare reform. The opposition to reform in healthcare is very strong. He certainly hasn’t been ignoring the problem.
People who are not followed are not good leaders.
  1. Yes, he’s had some bad hires, but at least he changes them out. Obama kept Sebilius in place for years after she had shown gross incompetence.
Even in ten dayhs! There is another side to that story, of course.
  1. It’s only been 7 months, don’t get so far ahead of yourself. FYI, his supporters are delighted that illegal immigration is down over 70% vs Obama, so he’s delivering where it counts.
FACTS MATTER! I have asked you on several other occasions to step up and be accountable for this claim. Crickets to an extent that extremely undercuts your credibility.
  1. You are very confused about trade, we’ve never had free trade. What he is targeting is ‘balanced trade’ which is good for both countries. One sided trade does not benefit both countries in the long run. Our long term trade deficit shows adjustment is required. Other countries have not equally opened their markets.
Sure. :rolleyes:
 
I’m not going to get into a semantic war with you, but suffice it to say, that people do not redact pages and pages of information of DOJ files that were requested, without wanting to hide something.
  1. It is not semantics it is law.
  2. Of course there are redactions; the DoJ will not and is not required to release executive discussions. Ther is a firm reason that that is allowable under FOIA.
The investigation has to start somewhere, so give it time to grow.
A JW FOIA request is hardly an investigation.
 
If people want to know why people voted for Trump then just ask them
You may think that this is an interesting question but if you open up, you may realize that that is not what Brooks is writing about. And that he is writing about something important
 
Balanced trade is not reasonable nor good for the country. If we believe in the principle of consumer sovereignty the only person who can rightly decide who to buy from is the buyer. Government cannot improve on the behavior of buyer and seller. There is a fatal conceit out there among people who believe that people cannot manage their own affairs but that we need the heavy hand of government to control them.
LOL, you are in a economic fantasy. Consumers select from what’s available in their store. Govt regulations, quotas and tariffs have a direct impact on their available choices.

Again, the theory of free trade does result in balanced trade. Exchange rates adjust and suddenly our country is able to export products at competitive prices to your trade partners.

Again, your fantasy of trade doesn’t exist in the real world. The main culprit is the regulations of our trading partners don’t allow us to fairly compete with local producers, and our currency is kept at artificial levels, not allowed to adjust.

Stop pretending that theory is how the real world works.
 
LOL, you are in a economic fantasy. Consumers select from what’s available in their store. Govt regulations, quotas and tariffs have a direct impact on their available choices.

Again, the theory of free trade does result in balanced trade. Exchange rates adjust and suddenly our country is able to export products at competitive prices to your trade partners.

Again, your fantasy of trade doesn’t exist in the real world. The main culprit is the regulations of our trading partners don’t allow us to fairly compete with local producers, and our currency is kept at artificial levels, not allowed to adjust.

Stop pretending that theory is how the real world works.
Why do we need balanced trade?
 
You may think that this is an interesting question but if you open up, you may realize that that is not what Brooks is writing about. And that he is writing about something important
I read the article, and yes, in fact, he is, like others, still trying to make sense of Trump’s win, because in his mind he’s a misogynistic blowhard that should never have won.

No one voted for Trump because of his sterling character and/or belief that he was a saint

Trump won based on issues such as economics, immigration and Obamacare, anything else is mere hypothesizing/opinion.
 
  1. It is not semantics it is law.
  2. Of course there are redactions; the DoJ will not and is not required to release executive discussions. Ther is a firm reason that that is allowable under FOIA.
A JW FOIA request is hardly an investigation.
I guess that’s why ACLJ are getting a federal court order to get that information that was redacted (talking points between the FBI and the DOJ).

youtube.com/watch?v=i-MvNI9vFuA
 
I read the article, and yes, in fact, he is, like others, still trying to make sense of Trump’s win, because in his mind he’s a misogynistic blowhard that should never have won.

No one voted for Trump because of his sterling character and/or belief that he was a saint

Trump won based on issues such as economics, immigration and Obamacare, anything else is mere hypothesizing/opinion.
First, that is not what Brooks wrote about. Second, you haven’t a clue to his mind. Third, what he is writing about is how do we return to moral values when we have demonstrated with our votes that we attach no value to character, caritas, and goodliness. Fourth, your analysis o why he won is mere hypothesizing a/opinion.
 
You may think that this is an interesting question but if you open up, you may realize that that is not what Brooks is writing about. And that he is writing about something important
I read the article, and yes, in fact, he is, like others, still trying to make sense of Trump’s win, because in his mind he’s a misogynistic blowhard that should never have won.

No one voted for Trump because of his sterling character and/or belief that he was a saint, but neither is he the black-hearted beast that some are characterizing him, people like this David Brooks is doing:
For a time, we lived off the moral capital of the past.** But the election of Trump shows just how desiccated the mainline code has become.**** A nation guided by that ethic would not have elected a guy who is a daily affront to it**, a guy who nakedly loves money, who boasts, who objectifies women, who is incapable of hypocrisy because he acknowledges no standard of propriety other than that which he feels like doing at any given moment.
Trump won based on issues such as economics, immigration and Obamacare, anything else is mere hypothesizing/opinion, like the three groups that he more or less placed Americans under, which does not explain registered Democrats who voted for Trump (to make states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, red), nor faithful Catholics who voted from Trump.

Moreover, he never entered into that equation the fact that Hillary Clinton was a scandal- ridden untrustworthy figure, who failed in her duties as Secretary of State, and proved to be mediocre, if not, incompetent/reckless.

So forgive me, if I find his ramblings rather heavy-handed on the preaching, and very biased.
 
I read the article, and yes, in fact, he is, like others, still trying to make sense of Trump’s win, because in his mind he’s a misogynistic blowhard that should never have won.

No one voted for Trump because of his sterling character and/or belief that he was a saint

Trump won based on issues such as economics, immigration and Obamacare, anything else is mere hypothesizing/opinion.
I think he won because Hillary Clinton was the epitome of the candidate who doesn’t listen before she tells you what is good for you. I don’t know if Trump listened, but the way he talked people felt as if he were listening. Maybe that is because he talks the way they do, maybe because he actually did listen, but it is certainly because he got his golf cart out of the major metropolitan areas and into some of the rest of the nation, too.

He can also be vulgar, loud and shockingly uninformed, just making things up that he didn’t bother to verify with anything but his own opinion, but since a lot of voters are accused of that whether it is true or not, this isn’t as damaging as the people making those objections might have thought.
 
First, that is not what Brooks wrote about. Second, you haven’t a clue to his mind. Third, what he is writing about is how do we return to moral values when we have demonstrated with our votes that we attach no value to character, caritas, and goodliness. Fourth, your analysis o why he won is mere hypothesizing a/opinion.
Really, so people who voted for Trump are foregoing moral values, whereas people who voted for Clinton are upholding moral values, because I see no indictment of Hillary’s character, or of people who chose to vote for her, but why shouldn’t I be surprised, this is the NYT, the very same news outlet that was pro-Hillary Clinton (and still is)/anti-Trump.

So, excuse me, if I do not agree with this premise, because as I said earlier people voted for Trump based on issues not on his less than sterling character.

It is David Brooks who is clueless and shows a complete lack of disregard for those who did vote Trump, i.e., it was not a rejection of moral values, such as caritas or goodness, it was a willingness to stand up for life, rule of law, providing for their families . . .etc.

And no, this is not hypothesizing, people who voted for Trump did so based on issues such as economics, Obamacare, immigration:

wsj.com/articles/how-trump-won-in-two-dimensions-1502320256

realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/18/trump_won_on_the_issues_132383.html
 
I think he won because Hillary Clinton was the epitome of the candidate who doesn’t listen before she tells you what is good for you. I don’t know if Trump listened, but the way he talked people felt as if he were listening. Maybe that is because he talks the way they do, maybe because he actually did listen, but it is certainly because he got his golf cart out of the major metropolitan areas and into some of the rest of the nation, too.

He can also be vulgar, loud and shockingly uninformed, just making things up that he didn’t bother to verify with anything but his own opinion, but since a lot of voters are accused of that whether it is true or not, this isn’t as damaging as the people making those objections might have thought.
Actually, my revised post to his response, i.e., not the initial response I gave, does take into consideration Hillary Clinton’s character
 
Really, so people who voted for Trump are foregoing moral values, whereas people who voted for Clinton are upholding moral values, because I see no indictment of Hillary’s character, or of people who chose to vote for her, but why shouldn’t I be surprised, this is the NYT, the very same news outlet that was pro-Hillary Clinton (and still is)/anti-Trump.
Everything about your statement is off the mark. So sad.

First. This is Brooks , a columnist and author. A conservative and very decent man. He is not the NYT, nor is the NYT him. Talking such cheap shots shows a lack of dignity among other things.
Second this fixation on what about Hlllary is tedious. Brooks is not writing about choices in the election. He is writing about Trump. And supporters, who not only voted for him, but support him unapologetically. Not as the lesser of two evils, but as though he is a man of sound judgement and good character. People who have sold their inheritance for a mess of pottage.
So, excuse me, if I do not agree with this premise, because as I said earlier people voted from Trump based on issues not on his less than sterling character.
You missed his premise.
It is David Brooks who is clueless and shows a complete lack of disregard for those who did vote Trump, i.e., it was not a rejection of moral values, such caritas or goodness, much the reverse, really.
You speak unjustly of a decent and wise man. Evidently, that is what Trump has brought out in you.
 
Dvdjs, I am flabbergasted by your arrogance, you asked for my answer but are not willing to hear me out, because you are more interested in your own opinions than you are mine.

I did not have to read the article, but I did so out of respect, but now consider this conversation over and done with, YOU DON’T LIKE MY RESPONSE AND I DON’T LIKE YOURS.
 
And for you Clinton voters, keep pretending you are standing on higher moral ground, nothing bespeaks Christian values more than self-righteousness. :rolleyes:

And with that I bid you adieu.
 
Dvdjs, I am flabbergasted by your arrogance, you asked for my answer but are not willing to hear me out, because you are more interested in your own opinions than you are mine.
I have heard you.

It is Brooks who wrote the article, not me; it is his opinion, not mine. I think that you miss the point that he is making; you pivot to a favorite narrative, and attack him and his publisher.

I had hoped for a serious discussion on this column. Trump supporters might get some into why some see him as a great danger to our nation. And stop their strange obsession with the idea that this is about not accepting or understanding the election.
 
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