Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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Bill was the Rock Star for sure.
But she was a Senator with a good reputation and SEC OF STATE, UNTIL SHE ANNOUNCED and they went to work on her.
SHE did a lot of great work I a lifetime helping kids. And by the time she ran, the GOP machine attacked them every second for 8 years then 2 more. She was jaded and defensive and untrusting at the end. And had reason to be.
My favorite story about those battles was:
Jerry Faldwell’s Liberty publication had her as the secret lover of Vince Foster and his murderer.
The very next months cover had her as a Lesbian.
Not the best two weeks for the Baptists. So have a little understanding. We are all mixed bags.
Trump was the serial adulterer and was a lying hypocrite at that moment by definition. Bill was a serial adulterer and he lied under oath.
She was not an ADULTERER.
 
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But she was a Senator with a good reputation and SEC OF STATE, UNTIL SHE ANNOUNCED and they went to work on her.
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Um, no. She’s had people trying to put mud on her since she gave the commencement address at Wellesley, and I mean the one in 1969. Some think she got her defensive and untrusting habit all the way back when she worked on the Watergate investigation, but whatever the case she had it long before the end. (She almost laughed out loud when somebody asked her as First Lady if she kept a diary!!)
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She was not an ADULTERER.
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If your husband is an adulterer and you cover for him, it is an offense against the truth and, really, let’s be honest, an offense against the women you blame or lie about or attack in order to cover for him or excuse him. Silence isn’t an offense, because you’re his wife. Making him out to be the victim when he’s not a victim is an offense.

That doesn’t disqualify you from public office any more than lying about your sexual past does–the voters always decide that–but it does disqualify you from getting on a high moral horse and decrying what a sex offender and what a faithless spouse your opponent is. Somebody else could try to sell that case, but HRC couldn’t. Yes, Bill Clinton did that to her, but without the whole package she had no political career.

That is the problem with the common-sense solution of kicking this impeachment question to the voters in the November election, though: that is, I think Trump is looking at another pretty weak Democratic field. He’s boxed out all Republican rivals. The man could get elected again, even if 70% of the population thinks he is as guilty as sin on soliciting foreign interference in our elections. Why? Because I don’t think enough people believe the Russians could ever sway their votes! They really don’t believe they could be swayed by misinformation!! We human beings can hear exactly what we want to hear and discount what we don’t want to hear and still convince ourselves that we are great judges of what is or isn’t a fact! The President really would have to be a co-conspirator in an unquestionable vanilla 1st-graders-know-people-who-do-that-go-to-jail-for-that felony like Watergate before there is steam to impeach him again, I think.

Sad or not sad, sometimes the truth is what it is.

Love it or hate it, get used to it: Donald Trump will not be removed and he could well be re-elected.

I think when he leaves office the GOP will be in ruins, though. A lot of people are making Faustian bargains in order to defend Donald Trump–shout out to you, Rudy Giuliani!–and the devil will have his due one day. The President is doing his best to crush those who refuse to do it. Ivanka will not be able to pick up his mantle; he wanted a child like himself, but none of his children are going to be able to duplicate what he’s doing.
 
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The shoot someone on 5th statement is litterally accurate. I understand his voters well. He knows it and tapped into it. Starting with Birther. I say that because I believe there is nothing he can do to loose their support. They have no plan to cling to the birthright without him.
It is so uncomfortable to have a person of low character wield such power.
In 2000 I was professionally involved in the election battle. As we had no president yet I recall being amazed on a weekend morning in the office. I was amazed how everyone was going about their business. In any other nation with that much power at stake TANKS WOULD BE ROLLING IN THE STREET. But not here. It was trust in institutions. And patriotic men in the midst of a titanic battle of naked power putting country first. On both sides.
I fear that being torn down. The nation is an idea. Fragile. Based on men, and an unscrupulous is now learning how to undermine the few safeguards we have.
 
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The reason Trump was elected is the same reason he is so despised by the elisist politicians in Wa.He is an outsider who promised to drain the swamp,he’s followed through with his campaign promises.He isn’t beholding to any special interest groups.He is very result oriented.As a businessman he brings a different perspective to the office of president.His success’ in spite of the opposition coming at him front the get go,shows his fortitude.
The question is why do the Dems fear him so?they absolutely do!
 
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The shoot someone on 5th statement is litterally accurate.
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It was self-defense and you want to take away the 2nd Amendment.
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It is so uncomfortable to have a person of low character wield such power.
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I think it is because it is a sort of a national mirror.
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I fear that being torn down. The nation is an idea. Fragile. Based on men, and an unscrupulous is now learning how to undermine the few safeguards we have.
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I don’t go that far. You know the “you can’t beat up my brother, only I get to do that” truth about siblings? I think there is some of that in our nation. We’ve always had faults, we’ve never been as good as we think we are, but we’ve always had an unquenchable something that arouses itself in times like these.

We have had times like these, and even worse. I’m afraid of what catastrophe it will take to bring us together again, but catastrophies always come. When they do, some of our gains are lost but some of our deepest core identity is revived. I don’t think we’re to the point where we’re past that happening again. I really don’t.

If we get there–and some day, this nation probably will, because human institutions do have a shelf life–well, we need to have our faith in God, just like we have our faith in God and not in a hurricane-proof house or an earthquake-proof transit system or a politics-proof government. Hurricanes blow, earthquakes shake, nation rises against nation and nations fall under the weight of their own hubris. It is going to keep happening until the Second Coming. We need to keep the oil in the lamps that really will keep burning until He comes again.

Work for a just government, but don’t ever put your faith in one.
 
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Apparently Bolton has shortened the need for more Trial. He heard strait from the horses mouth.
I take back what I said assuming he does not chicken out or end up missing. I thought he would parlay his leverage. He may turn out to be a John Dean.
 
The GOP Senate is now IN danger of exTINCTION.
They came to the Senate with this lie after that Transcript was at the Whitehouse for 5 weeks.
I thought Bolton might parlay his leverage. He isn’t going to.
To your point, it is a dangerous time.
 
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What did you hear about the Bolton revelation?
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Let’s say he knows facts that could put the President under the bus. Thump, thump flat, that kind of facts. (Just for argument’s sake, because I don’t know what he knows or could say.)
He’s still not in John Dean’s situation of having accepted a plea deal concerning prison time. He is still a Republican with a future in the GOP to think about, even though he is 71, and not a future in prison staring at him. He still has over half the Senate rooting for softball answers from him.
That’s a substantially different kind of witness than John Dean, don’t you think?
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I thought Bolton might parlay his leverage. He isn’t going to.
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Oh, he totally might, but if he does he’ll be singing very few notes of the tune the Democrats want to hear from him. (That’s just my shallow sense of it; I’m trying not to get too absorbed in this thing, so you or others here obviously have far more of the facts than I have.)
 
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He resigned over this potentially.
Trump’s people received the transcript 5 weeks ago. This leak came prior to what they believed I think. How can they put on a defense with a first hand confession out there?
In terms of Bolton, he isn’t going down over this. He called it a drug deal and cut loose. He isn’t playing fast and loose with history less he be swollowed up. He is a pro. See the lawyers. See the lawyers.
Do you think Pence leaked it. Lol just kidding
 
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Why silly. The news story is there is a confession of the operative facts.
It isn’t his call. Those Senators are no longer safe
 
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Do you think Pence leaked it. Lol just kidding
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I think Presidents who think they can stop people from talking about what literally everyone within 200 miles of the Beltway want to know are fooling themselves. (They all do it, though. If enough people know if the baby is a boy or a girl, somebody is going to blab it. It is human nature.)
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In terms of Bolton, he isn’t going down over this.
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He’s 71 but I think he wants to stay in the in-crowd in the GOP.
Singing like a bird isn’t the way to do that. Lawyers know there are ways to skirt the whole truth without lying when you’re in a court that doesn’t actually want to hear the whole truth.

We’ll see. I don’t see a bombshell that turns that much of this spring’s likely GOP turnout against the President, and frankly that’s what it would take to get the President removed before the primaries start.
 
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