Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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7_Sorrows said:
Thank you for your posts @HarryStotle

I prefer not to play their games.

I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC or read the NYT or the
Washington Post or the Huffington Post. So who knows what misinformation they have been told.

I prefer not to take the bait that leads to more endless questions and arguments.
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I asked a simple question. If you don’t want to interact with people and have them ask you questions on where you heard something, I have to wonder why you post here. There are plenty of forums on the internet where your view won’t be challenged by other posters because moderators won’t allow it.
 
My advice would be not to lose sleep wondering why I
post here at CAF.

I have been here since 2008 and understand all too well the challenges of World News.

If you have a question about any fact posted here, you
can always do your own research on the topic. That is
what I do and I usually learn a few more interesting facts at the same time.
 
His actions were worthy of impeachment.
How else could it be worthy if not with evidence? The guy comments while a juror listening to evidence.
 
No! Not that meeting.
The one in the Manhattan Cigar Bar.
Try to keep your campaign/ Russian meetings strait. I know it is hard when none ended up so many
 
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7_Sorrows said:
I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC or read the NYT or the
Washington Post or the Huffington Post. So who knows what misinformation they have been told.
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7_Sorrows,

I have subscriptions to The New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal, watch CNN, MSNBC, and read Foxnews.com and CNN.com.

What sources do you rely upon that I am missing?
 
drcube said:
Trump blocked the testimony of White House officials including Bolton.
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The Democrats never subpoenaed Bolton, though they could have. Didn’t fit the game plan, I guess.
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Another possibility is that it isn’t the real Bolton, but actually he has been replaced by an alien that would have no knowledge of Trump since he just arrived at the Earth.
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Worthy of Schiff and Nadler. Surprising they didn’t come up with that themselves. Might still.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The Democrats never subpoenaed Bolton, though they could have. Didn’t fit the game plan, I guess.
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Well, I hope they subpeona him in the House so that we can hear what he says under oath instead of from a book.
Ridgerunner said:
Worthy of Schiff and Nadler. Surprising they didn’t come up with that themselves. Might still
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Well, it makes as much sense as claims that the Democrats didn’t depose Bolton because they knew he didn’t have anything but general criticism of Trump.
 
drcube said:
Well, I hope they subpeona him in the House so that we can hear what he says under oath instead of from a book.
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They might, just to hear him criticize Trump on foreign policy. But they also know he doesn’t have the “goods” with the Ukraine thing, because it doesn’t exist.
 
dvdjs said:
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What sources do you rely upon that I am missing?
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The comic pages! 🤨

I thought your source would be something like that.

Explains a great deal.
 
Maximus1 said:
No! Not that meeting.
The one in the Manhattan Cigar Bar.
Try to keep your campaign/ Russian meetings strait. I know it is hard when none ended up so many
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This one is less compelling than the other since there is more evidence, from the fallout of that apparent meeting, to tie the Clinton campaign to Ukrainian collusion than there is to tie the Trump campaign to Russian collusion.

Former Fusion GPS contractor Nellie Ohr [wife of DOJ prosecutor Bruce Ohr] testified that the Ukrainian lawmaker Serhiy Leshchenko had been a source of theirs. Fusion GPS was responsible for Christopher Steele’s bogus dossier. On Dec. 11, 2018, the Ukrainian court in Kyiv ruled that Leshchenko’s release of information [the Black Ledger] about Manafort “led to interference in the electoral processes of the United States in 2016 and harmed the interests of Ukraine as a state.”

bongino.com

Chris Cuomo Makes a Flimsy Case that Manafort Proves Collusion

In a somewhat heated exchange with Rep. Matt Gaetz last night, CNN’s Chris Cuomo cited the case of Paul Manafort sharing ...
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Maximus1 said:
His actions were worthy of impeachment.
How else could it be worthy if not with evidence? The guy comments while a juror listening to evidence.
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Impeachment requires a standard for impeachment, not merely evidence of something having occurred.

That standard is “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors” that rise to the level of treason or bribery against the United States, not just what one political party deems inappropriate or insensitive to their tastes.

You might be interested in this sequence of posts on another thread…
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Alan Dershowitz admits Trump's actions toward Ukraine will affect his DECISION ON WHO TO VOTE FOR IN 2020: 'I'M A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT' World News
Here is another good article on Dershowitz’s argument: High Crimes and Misdirection - The Bulwark In Virginia’s ratifying debates, Madison specifically argued that if senators feared that the president might abuse the pardon power, then the Senate could preemptively remove him from office in an impeachment trial: “if the President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and there be grounds to believe he will shelter him [with pardons], the House of Representatives can impea…
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That definitively establishes that Madison thought that “… it would be extremely improper to vest it [impeachment] in the House of Representatives, and not much less so to place it in the Senate; because numerous bodies were actuated more or less by passion, and might, in the moment of vengeance, forget humanity.”

Madison was arguing for a clear standard for impeachment to be built into the Constitution, not merely that whatever the House or Senate decided would suffice, precisely because those numerous bodies in the two chambers could very well be "actuated more or less by passion, and might, in the moment of vengeance, forget humanity."

That standard was anything at the level of treason, bribery or other similar such deeds or criminal acts against the United States, not merely affronts to political passions.
 
Dvdjs, if you know, why won’t you say? Don’t you want to instruct the ignorant (as Catholics are obliged to do)?

The only reasons I can think of for refusing to impart knowledge that one is blessed with is either that one doesn’t want to enlighten others or that one enjoys manipulating others to do one’s bidding. God forbid either reason applies to you!

Perhaps you can explain the Godly reason you like to tell others to find the source of your claims.
 
EmmaSowl said:
Dvdjs, if you know, why won’t you say?
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It is probably the case that I provide more links to information (as opposed to ostensible news stories) than most of the posters on this sub-forum. Cogent discussion of the Judiciary report requires reading the report. I gave a link to that report.
 
We are going to see what Bolton describes as a drug deal. Then no more guessing, hope is in the past.
This trial will remain HALF A TRIAL and a tragedy.
 
Dershowitz own fellow counsel called his argument extreme. I agree. And I reject it. And virtually all scholars, prior to this trial, reject it.
It is an extreme minority opinion. Dershowitz position for 20 years evidences this.
The standard is not an imperial presidency.
 
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