Impossible to tell what is center of solar system?

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I heard that the debate to what is the center of the solar system is useless. This is because there isn’t any background or stable base to tell what moves and what doesn’t. Anything may move, but we can’t tell because we have no stable object to test it from.

Does this idea hold any water?
 
I heard that the debate to what is the center of the solar system is useless. This is because there isn’t any background or stable base to tell what moves and what doesn’t. Anything may move, but we can’t tell because we have no stable object to test it from.

Does this idea hold any water?
Reagardless of whether the sun is travelling through space, the planets are stable about the sun. Therefore the sun is the centre of the solar system.
 
I heard that the debate to what is the center of the solar system is useless. This is because there isn’t any background or stable base to tell what moves and what doesn’t. Anything may move, but we can’t tell because we have no stable object to test it from.

Does this idea hold any water?
Sounds correct to me, it’s a perception problem, you will always perceive where you are in the universe as stationary, while everything else is moving, so here we presume the milky way galaxy to be the centre as it doesnt appear to move, however galaxy y could actually be stationary, but because were moving, we’ld perceive galaxy y to be in motion.
 
Sounds correct to me, it’s a perception problem, you will always perceive where you are in the universe as stationary, while everything else is moving, so here we presume the milky way galaxy to be the centre as it doesnt appear to move, however galaxy y could actually be stationary, but because were moving, we’ld perceive galaxy y to be in motion.
Galaxies are moving apart from one another. They have been doing so since the big bang, or about 13.5 billion years. A star’s composition can be determined by reading its spectral lines. From there, you apply the knowledge that each element has its own set of colored lines within the spectrum. The elements are identified by the colors of the lines. If a lot of elements are present, it can be determined what the relative proportion of the elements in the sample galaxy or star is by measuring the intensity of each spectral line. The amount of the “red shift” is a means by which to measure the speed of the star or galaxy. Galaxies that are moving toward us will have an increased frequency or blue shift. Galaxies moving away from us will have a “red shift” that is proportional to the speed.

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Redshift periodicity data shows galaxies are in concentric rings about the earth.
 
I heard that the debate to what is the center of the solar system is useless. This is because there isn’t any background or stable base to tell what moves and what doesn’t. Anything may move, but we can’t tell because we have no stable object to test it from.

Does this idea hold any water?
Not really. It would be sort of true if the question was about the center of the universe, but it’s not true about the solar system alone.

The most accurate description of the center of the solar system is that it lies at the centroid of the mass of everything in it, but because the centroid lies well within the volume of the sun it’s accurate to say that the sun is the center.

You can’t make a similar statement about the universe because as far as we can tell the universe is curved in a direction that lies outside of the three dimensions we can sense, which means that the center of the universe would lie outside of the universe.
 
Redshift periodicity data shows galaxies are in concentric rings about the earth.
Amusing, but the problem with that is gravity. The earth doesn’t have enough mass to create enough curve in the space-time fabric to trap the sun or the gas giants. Simple as that. Smaller objects must orbit larger ones. I also cannot in good conscience subscribe to the idea that the solar system and the galaxy in which it resides with countless trillions of other stars within a universe with countless trillions of other galaxies, each having trillions of their own stars were created for the pleasure of, and revolve around the children of Abraham. Like the smallest particle in the most remote reaches of the universe, the inhabitants of this planet have their place of equal importance. Nothing less, but nothing more. That does not, however, make us meaningless or mean that there is no God.

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Slick simulation.
Amusing, but the problem with that is gravity. The earth doesn’t have enough mass to create enough curve in the space-time fabric to trap the sun or the gas giants. Simple as that. objects with less gravity must orbit objects with more gravity. I also cannot in good conscience subscribe to the idea that the solar system and the galaxy in which it resides with countless trillions of other stars within a universe with countless trillions of other galaxies, each having trillions of their own stars were created for the pleasure of, and revolve around the children of Abraham. That was fine for the authors of the Old Testament who didn’t know better, but we do know better. Like the smallest particle in the most remote reaches of the universe, the inhabitants of this planet have their place of equal importance. Nothing less, but nothing more. That does not, however, make us meaningless or mean that there is no God. If the belief that all of creation revolves around you is the only way to get your head around it, then I suppose that’s what you have to do, but you can be realistic and still have complete faith in God. You don’t have to torture plainly established science.

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Amusing, but the problem with that is gravity. The earth doesn’t have enough mass to create enough curve in the space-time fabric to trap the sun or the gas giants. Simple as that. objects with less gravity must orbit objects with more gravity. I also cannot in good conscience subscribe to the idea that the solar system and the galaxy in which it resides with countless trillions of other stars within a universe with countless trillions of other galaxies, each having trillions of their own stars were created for the pleasure of, and revolve around the children of Abraham. That was fine for the authors of the Old Testament who didn’t know better, but we do know better. Like the smallest particle in the most remote reaches of the universe, the inhabitants of this planet have their place of equal importance. Nothing less, but nothing more. That does not, however, make us meaningless or mean that there is no God. If the belief that all of creation revolves around you is the only way to get your head around it, then I suppose that’s what you have to do, but you can be realistic and still have complete faith in God. You don’t have to torture plainly established science.

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Sufjon
What in the world are you raving about? Do you think that that simulation is an attempt to push the idea that the earth is the physical center of the universe??!?
 
Amusing, but the problem with that is gravity. The earth doesn’t have enough mass to create enough curve in the space-time fabric to trap the sun or the gas giants. Simple as that. objects with less gravity must orbit objects with more gravity. I also cannot in good conscience subscribe to the idea that the solar system and the galaxy in which it resides with countless trillions of other stars within a universe with countless trillions of other galaxies, each having trillions of their own stars were created for the pleasure of, and revolve around the children of Abraham. That was fine for the authors of the Old Testament who didn’t know better, but we do know better. Like the smallest particle in the most remote reaches of the universe, the inhabitants of this planet have their place of equal importance. Nothing less, but nothing more. That does not, however, make us meaningless or mean that there is no God. If the belief that all of creation revolves around you is the only way to get your head around it, then I suppose that’s what you have to do, but you can be realistic and still have complete faith in God. You don’t have to torture plainly established science.

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Sufjon
The solar system is not all there is.

Perhaps you could look at the odds of our fine tuned universe for life and see how the earth fits in.
 
Anyone want to discuss plate tectonics?
It is not forbidden.

The Vatican Observatory is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. It has its headquarters at the papal summer http://www.vaticanobservatory.org/images/stories/cg-cirilliW2.jpgresidence in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, outside Rome. Its dependent research center, the Vatican Observatory Research Group, is hosted by Steward Observatory at the University of Arizona, Tucson, USA.
The Vatican Observatory Research Group operates the 1.8m Alice P. Lennon Telescope with its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT). This is located at the Mount Graham International Observatory (MGIO) in southeastern Arizona.
What you find in this website will help you discover the reason for the existence of the Vatican Observatory, its history, and its many activities. It will also invite you to participate, through the Vatican Observatory Foundation, in our work for science and for the Catholic Church.
 
It is not forbidden.

The Vatican Observatory is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. It has its headquarters at the papal summer http://www.vaticanobservatory.org/images/stories/cg-cirilliW2.jpgresidence in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, outside Rome. Its dependent research center, the Vatican Observatory Research Group, is hosted by Steward Observatory at the University of Arizona, Tucson, USA.
The Vatican Observatory Research Group operates the 1.8m Alice P. Lennon Telescope with its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT). This is located at the Mount Graham International Observatory (MGIO) in southeastern Arizona.
What you find in this website will help you discover the reason for the existence of the Vatican Observatory, its history, and its many activities. It will also invite you to participate, through the Vatican Observatory Foundation, in our work for science and for the Catholic Church.
I have no problem discussing astronomy, I just have a problem discussing it on the non-Catholic Religions forum. I don’t see the connection. 🤷
 
What in the world are you raving about? Do you think that that simulation is an attempt to push the idea that the earth is the physical center of the universe??!?
Hi Neophyte: I think that is avoiding the point. The point is that it is physically impossible for the sun, the gas giants and even distant smaller planets in the solar system to orbit the earth. As for the relationship between the simulation and religion, well, I think that’s obvious. We are on a religious forum, and I have seen this sort of argument wind it’s way into making some sort of point that supports old-timey beliefs about our singular importance in the universe. On that point, I was jumping the gun, but I just couldn’t wait for it to come up.

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So to be clear, it’s not a sound argument because the bigger the object (whether it be sun or planets), the more gravity? Therefore smaller objects would *have *to rotate around larger objects?

One more thing-is it proven without a doubt that larger objects in space (again, such as planets or the sun) have more of a pull than smaller objects?
 
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