In Catholicism: No man knows the day or the hour? Does Jesus know?

[Benadam]

I think it’s essential for believing Jesus is God or at least reasonable if you do.

 

[Wesrock]

Whether they believed that the Holy Spirit was a person of God or not, it doesn’t matter. They knew it to exist and to be revered. Not including the Holy Spirit as one of the entities to know the day and hour means that it doesn’t know.

No, it does not necessarily exclude the Holy Spirit from knowledge. The Holy Spirit is God, proceeding from the Father. He’s not some separate being. Jesus’ statement addresses men, angels, and his own human nature and purpose in becoming flesh. Excluding knowledge from God is not part of his intent, and you put too much weight on this verse. He was expressing a point, not engaging in high level theological discussion.

The word “FORM” is the word ‘morphē’. Trinitarians can’t agree on the definition of this word because it has nothing to do with divine attributes. It implies the outward appearance, not inward attributes. Christ emptied himself of the GLORY in heaven to become a servant in the likeness of men.

So Christ had the “outward appearance” of God. It seems you only make Vico’s point for him. He had the same outward appearance of God, but emptied himself of that appearance. And morphē is commonly described in word studies as not only being outward appearance, but an outward appearance that reflects the inner essence, anyway.

 

[Wesrock]

hy is it we don’t know the name of the holy spirit if it is indeed ONE person, and why isn’t that person found in or around the throne of God?

We seem to find an image of all three in Rev 22:1:

22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city.

The throne of God and the Lamb from which the Water of Life flows directly out of, the living water that Jesus promised, the Holy Spirit Christians are all baptized in. And the association of the Holy Spirit with the living waters Jesus promised is not simply my on-the-spot creation, either. In fact, it’s in scripture.

John 4:10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.” 11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have no bucket, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our ancestor Jacob, who gave us the well, and with his sons and his flocks drank from it?” 13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but those who drink of the water that I will give them will never be thirsty. The water that I will give will become in them a spring of water gushing up to eternal life.”

John 7:37 On the last day of the festival, the great day, while Jesus was standing there, he cried out, “Let anyone who is thirsty come to me, 38 and let the one who believes in me drink. As the scripture has said, ‘Out of the believer’s heart shall flow rivers of living water.’” 39 Now he said this about the Spirit, which believers in him were to receive; for as yet there was no Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

 

[JoshuaIsLord]

I Prefer to take the Holy Scripture at face value. If the Holy Writ says “Nor the Son” knows and “Only the Father Knows” then so be it.

Trying to cobble scriptures to try and prove that Jesus has the same knowledge as his father is Protestant in nature.

I also tend to discard “Commentaries” I find a lot of it pure speculative. Not based on facts but on wishful thinking.

If Christ does know the day and hour, then the scripture itself is a bold face lie.

Apply Occam’s Razor and leave well enough alone.

Is the Bible explicitly clear on the Omni-Powers of God?