In fundraising speech, Trump says he made up trade claim in meeting with Justin Trudeau

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President Trump boasted in a fundraising speech Wednesday that he made up information in a meeting with the leader of a top U.S. ally, saying he insisted to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that the U.S. runs a trade deficit with its neighbor to the north without knowing whether that was true.

“Trudeau came to see me. He’s a good guy, Justin. He said, ‘No, no, we have no trade deficit with you, we have none. Donald, please,’ ” Trump said, mimicking Trudeau, according to audio of the private event in Missouri obtained by The Washington Post. “Nice guy, good-looking guy, comes in — ‘Donald, we have no trade deficit.’ He’s very proud because everybody else, you know, we’re getting killed.

“… So, he’s proud. I said, ‘Wrong, Justin, you do.’ I didn’t even know. … I had no idea. I just said, ‘You’re wrong.’ You know why? Because we’re so stupid. … And I thought they were smart. I said, ‘You’re wrong, Justin.’ He said, ‘Nope, we have no trade deficit.’ I said, ‘Well, in that case, I feel differently,’ I said, ‘but I don’t believe it.’ I sent one of our guys out, his guy, my guy, they went out, I said, ‘Check, because I can’t believe it.’

‘Well, sir, you’re actually right. We have no deficit, but that doesn’t include energy and timber. … And when you do, we lose $17 billion a year.’ It’s incredible.”
The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative says the U.S. has a trade surplus with Canada. It reports that in 2016, the U.S. exported $12.5 billion more in goods & services than it imported from Canada, leading to a trade surplus, not a deficit.

[ Transcript of Trump’s remarks at fundraiser in Missouri on March 14 ]

In response to this story, Trump on Thursday went on Twitter to reiterate his false assertion that the U.S. has a trade “deficit” with Canada and said it was other countries that refused to accept that such imbalances exist.

In his 30-minute speech to donors in Missouri, Trump made a blistering attack against major U.S. allies & global economies, accusing the European Union, China, Japan & South Korea of ripping off the U.S. for decades & pillaging the U.S. workforce. He also described the NATO as a disaster & heaped blame on the WTO for allowing other countries to box in the U.S. on trade.

Trump seemed to threaten to pull U.S. troops stationed in South Korea if he didn’t get what he wanted on trade with Seoul, an ally. He said that the country had gotten rich but that U.S. politicians never negotiated better deals. “We have a very big trade deficit with them, & we protect them,” Trump said. “We lose money on trade, & we lose money on the military. We have right now 32,000 soldiers on the border between North & South Korea. Let’s see what happens.”

“Our allies care about themselves,” he said. “They don’t care about us.”

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Clearly we Canadians need to start placing tariffs on US goods, since we’re being so darned mistreated by you trade dumping unfair practice currency manipulating Yanks!!!
 
I’m sure his supporters will be along shortly to tell us why this is perfectly all right.
 
I said, ‘but I don’t believe it.’ I sent one of our guys out, his guy, my guy, they went out, I said, ‘Check, because I can’t believe it.’
Trump didn’t say he “made it up”. He said he asserted it without being sure of it. So he had one of “his” people check and it turned out Trudeau was lying or didn’t know.
 
Clearly we Canadians need to start placing tariffs on US goods, since we’re being so darned mistreated by you trade dumping unfair practice currency manipulating Yanks!!!
Have at it. We’ll both survive the experience.

But we’ll both regret a complete trade shutdown. The U.S. and Canada are really just one economy, not two.
 
‘Nope, we have no trade deficit.’ I said, ‘Well, in that case, I feel differently,’ I said, ‘but I don’t believe it.’
Just amazing.

I’m glad Trump was proven wrong. Full of lies, that man.
 
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Clearly we Canadians need to start placing tariffs on US goods, since we’re being so darned mistreated by you trade dumping unfair practice currency manipulating Yanks!!!
Have at it. We’ll both survive the experience.

But we’ll both regret a complete trade shutdown. The U.S. and Canada are really just one economy, not two.
I was joking of course. The fact is that there are a good many jobs on both sides of the border heavily reliant on the free and open trade across that border. It’s good that the President now has an adviser much more willing to defend NAFTA.
 
Just amazing.

I’m glad Trump was proven wrong. Full of lies, that man.
Read it again. Trump was right. Trudeau was the one who was either lying or mistaken. Either way, it was Trudeau who was wrong.
 
I was joking of course. The fact is that there are a good many jobs on both sides of the border heavily reliant on the free and open trade across that border. It’s good that the President now has an adviser much more willing to defend NAFTA.
More than just the jobs. I live in more or less that middle of the U.S., but there are industries around here that ship to Canada regularly. Of some interest, the laws are pretty similar when it comes to things like shipping, shifting of risk in transit, and completion point of transactions.
 
Well, sir, you’re actually right. We have no deficit, but that doesn’t include energy and timber. …



In response to this story, Trump on Thursday went on Twitter to reiterate his false assertion that the U.S. has a trade “deficit” with Canada and said it was other countries that refused to accept that such imbalances exist.
There is no trade deficit.
 
Read it again. Trump was right. Trudeau was the one who was either lying or mistaken. Either way, it was Trudeau who was wrong.
Maybe you should read it again:

“The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative says the U.S. has a trade surplus with Canada. It reports that in 2016, the U.S. exported $12.5 billion more in goods & services than it imported from Canada, leading to a trade surplus, not a deficit.”

The real issue, in my opinion, is not who is right or wrong - but rather Trump’s assertation to the leader of one of our closest allies and a neighbor that something is fact when he does not know it to be fact.

Fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants approach may be appropriate to real estate, but that is no way to run a country. Too much is at stake. Loss of trust creates global economic and political risk that harms the American people. Enacting policy that is not fact-based harms the American people. Trump has said that he wants America first, not alone. However, all of his actions and most of his rhetoric indicate otherwise - and that harms the American people.
 
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There is no trade deficit.
If, as trudeau later admitted, there really is a deficit if you cound energy and timber, then there really is a trade deficit. There’s no other way to see it.
 
The Office of the United States Trade Representative says the U.S. has a trade surplus with Canada.

Adam Austin, Canadian Foreign Affairs spokesperson, also agrees that according to their own statistics, the US runs a trade surplus with Canada.

Trump is lying.
 
Trump is lying.
Funny! There are contradictory reports from various sources. Either Trump or Trudeau is wrong, so naturally the Democrat approach is to say Trump is not only wrong but a liar besides. The possibility of Trudeau even being mistaken is not even considered. If anyone ever wanted to know why Trump supporters refuse to listen to Dems about Trump, it would be hard to find a better example.
 
I found this and apparently it’s not just a simple exclusion/inclusion of certain things.
The 2018 White House Economic Report of the President also says the U.S. ran a trade surplus of $2.6 billion with Canada on a balance-of-payments basis.

But there are different ways to calculate these numbers.

In fact, Canada’s own formula sides with Trump, as it excludes the country of origin in a three-party transaction: a Chinese laptop shipped through Canada into the U.S. would count in the Canadian formula as a Canadian export.

Dancing isn’t the devil’s handiwork, it’s economics.
 
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