In my opinion, "Mary Mother of God", is too general, and misleading as a teaching

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To reject Mary as Mother of God is only quantitatively different from rejecting my mother as my mother.

When a person is conceived, they are both a physical and spiritual being. Are our mothers only the mothers of our physical being? Ultimately, it is God who provides both the physical and spiritual matter which comes together to form a new person, so isn’t my mother as much the mother of my physical self as she is the soul? The difference here is that my mother is the mother of a Son of Man only. The Blessed Mother was mother of both Son of Man and Son of God.
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A child was born by a mother of different belief. When he/she convert to christanity, her mother of different belief is not his/ her spiritual mother
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“Spiritual mother” is not the same as “mother of the soul as much as the body”. A “spiritual mother” is a female who helps to guide you through the faith. For example, Saint Josephine Bakhita is my “spiritual mother” (but this can also be someone still living). What you’re speaking of is a different concept.
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It is the exact context when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus, He was explaining why a person must be “reborn”.
 
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To reject Mary as Mother of God is only quantitatively different from rejecting my mother as my mother.

When a person is conceived, they are both a physical and spiritual being. Are our mothers only the mothers of our physical being? Ultimately, it is God who provides both the physical and spiritual matter which comes together to form a new person, so isn’t my mother as much the mother of my physical self as she is the soul? The difference here is that my mother is the mother of a Son of Man only. The Blessed Mother was mother of both Son of Man and Son of God.
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A child was born by a mother of different belief. When he/she convert to christanity, her mother of different belief is not his/ her spiritual mother
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“Spiritual mother” is not the same as “mother of the soul as much as the body”. A “spiritual mother” is a female who helps to guide you through the faith. For example, Saint Josephine Bakhita is my “spiritual mother” (but this can also be someone still living). What you’re speaking of is a different concept.
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It is the exact context when Jesus spoke to Nicodemus, He was explaining why a person must be “reborn”.
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What’s the relevance of this to our discussion?
 
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You know what would completely stun me? Somebody coming on and saying, “You know, I looked at Scripture regarding Mary the Mother of God, and what the Church teaches, and hey, I think they’re right.”

Did you ever notice that all the intellectual shining stars with their incredible discernment seem to always be finding the Church wrong?

Wouldn’t you think there was a least a 50/50 chance that somebody would agree with the Church?

But no, it seems ‘personal interpretation’ is always saying, “Church wrong, Me right”.

And people who ‘think for themselves’ seem to be hell bent (literally) in rejecting, not affirming.
 
francisca.chapter3 said:
I am telling you the authoritative word of Jesus:
  1. what is born of flesh is flesh, what is born of spirit is spirit
  2. “Woman, your son (John)” was Jesus command to Mary
  3. Jesus also say, “whoever believe in Me is my mother, my brother, my sister”
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No, you are telling me your interpretation of what He taught.
Consider this passage: “the angel said to her in reply, “The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.” So Our Lord was not born “of flesh” in the sense of being born into original sin; he was the incarnate Son of God.
Let’s look at this passage, too:
While he was speaking, a woman from the crowd called out and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that carried you and the breasts at which you nursed.” He replied, “Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.” (Luke 11:27-28)
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But he said in reply to the one who told him, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?”
And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
Matt. 12:48-50

Mary was entirely submissive to the Holy Spirit; she was not a mere physical surrogate. She is the Mother of God.
 
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In the end I actually hope this is trolling but if not this is most useless discussion for us and OP.
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Yes, Jesus is God.
Yes, Jesus is the son of God.

My point is, Mary, being the bearer of Jesus for nine months, does that automatically makes her “the mother of God”?

For example, a buddhist lady give birth to a son. Her son, later was baptized as an adult. Then, her son teach her about christanity. She decided to be baptized. Her son, who teaches her about Jesus, is her spiritual father. She is still his mother, but her son has become her spiritual father on the day she was baptized.

Please also read Jesus spoke to the woman at the well. He said “God is spirit. Whoever whorship God, must worship Him in Spirit & in Truth”
 
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francisca.chapter3 said:
Yes, Jesus is God.
Yes, Jesus is the son of God.

My point is, Mary, being the bearer of Jesus for nine months, does that automatically makes her “the mother of God”?

For example, a buddhist lady give birth to a son. Her son, later was baptized as an adult. Then, her son teach her about christanity. She decided to be baptized. Her son, who teaches her about Jesus, is her spiritual father. She is still his mother, but her son has become her spiritual father on the day she was baptized
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Despite my correction, you’re still using a false concept to make your point. A spiritual mother or father offers guidance on the spiritual life. This is not- I repeat- not the same thing as being the mother or father of the person born of you.
 
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francisca.chapter3 said:
My point is, Mary, being the bearer of Jesus for nine months, does that automatically makes her “the mother of God”?
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Yes. She gave birth to Christ.
francisca.chapter3 said:
For example, a buddhist lady give birth to a son. Her son, later was baptized as an adult. Then, her son teach her about christanity. She decided to be baptized. Her son, who teaches her about Jesus, is her spiritual father. She is still his mother, but her son has become her spiritual father on the day she was baptized
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Who do you imagine instructed and taught Jesus on how to be a Jewish man? Who was in charge of raising Him? Who presented Him to the Temple as the fruit of her womb? Do you think Jesus spent all His days away from His parents as a child? From Luke, chapter 2:
“2:51 And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart.
2:52 And Jesus advanced in wisdom and age and grace with God and men.”
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francisca.chapter3 said:
Yes, Jesus is God.
Yes, Jesus is the son of God.

My point is, Mary, being the bearer of Jesus for nine months, does that automatically makes her “the mother of God”?
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Absolutely.

That is the only logical conclusion. Mary was not a mere vessel. She carried him for nine months and gave birth to him.

That is the exact, precise, textbook, dictionary definition of the word “mother”.

And since the Child she bore was a divine Person, the only proper title to describe her is Mother of God. or Theotokos: God-bearer.

Your “explanations” are, quite frankly, bizarre. They have no logical sequences at all. What does your buddhist example have to do with this anyway? Jesus’ words to Nicodemus do not have any bearing on this. The woman at the well has no bearing on this. That God is spirit has nothing to do with this. All that matters is was Jesus a divine Person and did Mary give birth to him?

Everything else you’re saying is fluff.

Why would “God is spirit” contradict Mary’s being Mother of God? Why would a Buddhist convert contradict this? Why would Jesus’ words to John contradict this? None of these “prove” that Jesus wasn’t God, and none of these “prove” that Mary did not give birth to a divine Person.

Your logic is really going nowhere.
 
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francisca.chapter3 said:
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Thom18:
This is not- I repeat- not the same thing as being the mother or father of the person born of you
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Exactly my point.

Just because she bear Jesus for nine months, not the same as being “the mother of God”
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But that’s literally the definition of a mother.

Please address the questions people are asking you, not the ones that we’re not.
 
Thom18 said:
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This is not- I repeat- not the same thing as being the mother or father of the person born of you
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Exactly my point.
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Your point is that you’re intentionally using a false concept to try and prove your point? Help me to understand.
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Just because she bear Jesus for nine months, not the same as being “the mother of God”
 
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God is spirit. Mary, did not gave Jesus His Divinity
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Yes. But she did give Him His humanity. Or would you like to argue that Christ is not fully human? The definition for Theotokos does not say she gave Him His divinity. Did you read the Anathemas against Nestorius that I linked? They’re quite clear on what they are denouncing.
 
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God is spirit. Mary, did not gave Jesus His Divinity
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Yes. But she did give Him His humanity. Or would you like to argue that Christ is not fully human? The definition for Theotokos does not say she gave Him His divinity. Did you read the Anathemas against Nestorius that I linked? They’re quite clear on what they are denouncing.
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Jesus is fully human too, and his mother is Mary
 
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