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grannymh
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Regarding literalists in the Philippines.
Which manga is promoting the literalist delusions?
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Which manga is promoting the literalist delusions?
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Seems like an awful imprecise critique.
What world is this you are speaking of? Can you provide details?
Can you provide proof such never existed?
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grannymh
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My guess is that it is time to research Jack Chick.
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Lost_Wanderer
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You just answered your own question.
I wouldn’t call Chick tracts manga material though… or doctrinally accurate material for that matter.
But like I said, ideas from their ilk are infesting Catholic minds.
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Lost_Wanderer
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Lesee the fact that I’m not a typical monster hunting adventurer would be a good start.
More imprecision.Lesee the fact that I’m not a typical monster hunting adventurer would be a good start.
I have the same questions as before.
I really do not want to be difficult here. I understand that there are a number of things that may never have been or may never be. But I want to be certain we are on the same page here.
What exactly are you speaking of?
What evidence have you that it never existed?
Considering that you roll your eyes regularly now at people that do not share your view, I would think your evidence to be considerable.
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Robertanthony
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Hahaha Lw has got to have the highest count among all CAF members for the number of times they’ve used the
. I think the should be saved for special occasions when it’s truly warranted, used regularly, it loses its effect. Likewise, you don’t give your wife a bouquet everyday, no you wait for that once-a-year special occasion, Valentine’s day.
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Lost_Wanderer
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And I have the same answer. Bible literalists insist on a world that was ruled by demons posing as gods, monsters roaming the earth, sea, and sky, with only our Big Daddy Yaweh as our ‘protector’. Catholic literalists tend to make it even worse by throwing in wild stories about the saints interacting with satyrs and slaying dragons.
Too late for that. I’ve been painting out the absurd literalist view for the past twenty to thirty pages of this entire thread. If you missed it all out by that much, I can’t help you.
I speak of the Christian fantasy realm outlined in much of the OT. How crystal clear do you want it to be?
Chapter? Verse? and Proof that no such could have been or ever was?
Your eyes rolling around tells me that you are either sitting on a heap of proofs that would make the other views absurd…or you are just sitting on a heap.
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ringil
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I agree that Evangelical Protestant ideas are infultrating some elements of American Catholic thought in the laity.You just answered your own question.
I wouldn’t call Chick tracts manga material though… or doctrinally accurate material for that matter.
But like I said, ideas from their ilk are infesting Catholic minds.
I believe this started with the Religious Right and it’s marrying with the GOP in the 90’s (Cristian Coalition, Focus on the Family etc.). Those politically conservative Catholics started to see things they liked about low church Protestantism including a simpler method of reading the Bible, and here we are.
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Robertanthony
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Jesus’ brothers were not his brothers, they’re his cousins, the word “cousin” did not exist, except when Mary visits her cousin Elizabeth, 930 does not mean 930, a day can be anything from a day to 1.5 billion years, “turn the other cheek” has become: you can blow off someone’s head off who’s trying to break into your house, the tender-hearted, cute daddy in the prodigal son’s story is the same who inspired Israelites to ask a bunch of young men who wanted to marry Israelite women to get circumsized 1st, and while in the throes of masculine agony, kill them all, David was a man “after God’s own heart” but had countless courtisanes (say that to all those who come on CAF asking if masturbation is a mortal sin), the author of the Book of Genesis didn’t feel it was important to tell us how Cain was related to the woman he married (sister, niece or mommy) but tells us with a great deal of detail how God did NOT create the world, didn’t the man crucified next to Jesus need to go to Purgatory 1st before being with Jesus in paradise. Why was the Book of Revelation ever written if 99.9% of people have no clue what it’s saying? Were Adam and Eve grunting cave"men" or did we come up with the idea of “hominids” to take care of the people who lived before Adam and Eve to make Adam and Eve still believable? Being God-inspired I would have hoped the OT could have had more scientific authority than “Betty Goes to The Farm” Whatever people say, the sad truth is the Church is in a defensive position vis-a-vis science. It’s holding on to Adam and Eve and monogenism, trying frantically to keep the safe from science. It’s saying to science," You can have whatever you want, but please let me have those two, ok?".
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savedwretch
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It is a matter of scriptural authority. Who’s word do you believe, God’s or sinful man? If you don’t believe God’s word, then why do you call yourself a Christian?
The Lord Jesus quotes from Genesis in Matthew 19:4-5, “And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female’, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh’?”
The Lord Jesus quoting Genesis as truth should be more than enough for anyone who believes Jesus is Lord of all. He should know those words are true since all of God’s word is His word, since He is God.
The logical point being, if you believe Jesus is God and that He is the truth, and He quoted Genesis as true (early Genesis at that), then if you’re a Christian you should also believe that Genesis is true. Why wouldn’t you except that you’re afraid of what sinful man might think of you.
The Lord Jesus quotes from Genesis in Matthew 19:4-5, “And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female’, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh’?”
The Lord Jesus quoting Genesis as truth should be more than enough for anyone who believes Jesus is Lord of all. He should know those words are true since all of God’s word is His word, since He is God.
The logical point being, if you believe Jesus is God and that He is the truth, and He quoted Genesis as true (early Genesis at that), then if you’re a Christian you should also believe that Genesis is true. Why wouldn’t you except that you’re afraid of what sinful man might think of you.
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Robertanthony
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Jesus’ brothers were not his brothers, they’re his cousins, the word “cousin” did not exist, except when Mary visits her cousin Elizabeth, 930 does not mean 930, a day can be anything from a day to 1.5 billion years, “turn the other cheek” has become: you can blow someone’s head off who’s trying to break into your house, the tender-hearted, cute daddy in the prodigal son’s story is the same who inspired Israelites to ask a bunch of young men who wanted to marry Israelite women to get circumsized 1st, and while in the throes of masculine agony, kill them all, David was a man “after God’s own heart” but had countless courtisanes (say that to all those who come on CAF asking if masturbation is a mortal sin), the author of the Book of Genesis didn’t feel it was important to tell us how Cain was related to the woman he married (sister, niece or mommy) but tells us with a great deal of detail how God did NOT create the world, didn’t the man crucified next to Jesus need to go to Purgatory 1st before being with Jesus in paradise. Why was the Book of Revelation ever written if 99.9% of people have no clue what it’s saying? Were Adam and Eve grunting cave"men" or did we come up with the idea of “hominids” to take care of the people who lived before Adam and Eve to make Adam and Eve still believable? Being God-inspired I would have hoped the OT could have had more scientific authority than “Betty Goes to The Farm” Whatever people say, the sad truth is the Church is in a defensive position vis-a-vis science. It’s holding on to Adam and Eve and monogenism, trying frantically to keep them safe from science. It’s saying to science," You can have whatever you want, but please let me have those two, ok?".
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ringil
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I see you are “born again Christian”
You will tend to have a different method of reading Holy Scripture than the Church.
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grannymh
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Are you saying that the literalist delusion, as you have described as regarding real monsters, are now in manga form?You just answered your own question.
I wouldn’t call Chick tracts manga material though… or doctrinally accurate material for that matter.
But like I said, ideas from their ilk are infesting Catholic minds.
I have not had time to review current Jack Chick activity. The last time I saw a tract, it was specific anti-Catholic regarding the Eucharist.
Our worthwhile discussion brings to mind some of the “adult” American animated TV shows which make fun of Catholicism. My kids won’t let me watch them if we are surfing channels. But as soon as I leave the room, you can guess which cartoon goes back on the screen.
I am beginning to follow the connection of the 46% creationist view with what you are seeing happening in the Philippines. Am I close to being right?
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savedwretch
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[SIGN]Jesus’ brothers were not his brothers, they’re his cousins, the word “cousin” did not exist, except when Mary visits her cousin Elizabeth, 930 does not mean 930, a day can be anything from a day to 1.5 billion years, “turn the other cheek” has become: you can blow off someone’s head off who’s trying to break into your house, the tender-hearted, cute daddy in the prodigal son’s story is the same who inspired Israelites to ask a bunch of young men who wanted to marry Israelite women to get circumsized 1st, and while in the throes of masculine agony, kill them all, David was a man “after God’s own heart” but had countless courtisanes (say that to all those who come on CAF asking if masturbation is a mortal sin), the author of the Book of Genesis didn’t feel it was important to tell us how Cain was related to the woman he married (sister, niece or mommy) but tells us with a great deal of detail how God did NOT create the world, didn’t the man crucified next to Jesus need to go to Purgatory 1st before being with Jesus in paradise. Why was the Book of Revelation ever written if 99.9% of people have no clue what it’s saying? Were Adam and Eve grunting cave"men" or did we come up with the idea of “hominids” to take care of the people who lived before Adam and Eve to make Adam and Eve still believable? Being God-inspired I would have hoped the OT could have had more scientific authority than “Betty Goes to The Farm” Whatever people say, the sad truth is the Church is in a defensive position vis-a-vis science. It’s holding on to Adam and Eve and monogenism, trying frantically to keep the safe from science. It’s saying to science," You can have whatever you want, but please let me have those two, ok?". [/SIGN]
-Jesus’ brothers were His brothers.
-A day can not be other than a day when the clear context of the passage suggests it is a twenty four hour period. In Genesis at the end of each day it says and the evening and the morning were the first day…second day and so on.
-Turn the other cheek…still means what it says, we are not to revile when reviled.
-Taking old testament passages out of context does not change their veracity.
-David was truly repententant, read Psalm 51, whether you believe it or not does not matter as much as that God knew it
-Cain obviously had to marry a relative…a distant niece or sister perhaps…considering the longevity of Adam and Eve this would have gone without having to be said…even from the false evolutionary view we would have had to be related at the beginning…the laws pertaining to incest weren’t defined until the time of Moses by which time there were enough people to not have to marry close relatives
-Genesis gives us all the detail we need to know that God created the world
-The thief on the cross next to Jesus did not need to go to purgatory since purgatory does not exist anywhere in the bible…the thief next to Jesus went to paradise just as our Lord said
-Revelation is not impossible to understand but it does help to know a little about prophecy to start with from the books of Daniel, Matthew, etc.
-Adam and Eve were people like you and me…there was no death before sin and so there were no other ‘types’ of people…supposed cave men are all either human beings or apes or extinct species of apes
-The old testament does not need scientific authority since it is God’s word and that is as high an authority as you will ever have.
With all due respect, please consider the truth that we are all sinners and Jesus died to pay for our sins. Put your faith in that biblical truth and investigate the rest after God sends the Holy Spirit to live in you and guide you in all truth.
-Jesus’ brothers were His brothers.
-A day can not be other than a day when the clear context of the passage suggests it is a twenty four hour period. In Genesis at the end of each day it says and the evening and the morning were the first day…second day and so on.
-Turn the other cheek…still means what it says, we are not to revile when reviled.
-Taking old testament passages out of context does not change their veracity.
-David was truly repententant, read Psalm 51, whether you believe it or not does not matter as much as that God knew it
-Cain obviously had to marry a relative…a distant niece or sister perhaps…considering the longevity of Adam and Eve this would have gone without having to be said…even from the false evolutionary view we would have had to be related at the beginning…the laws pertaining to incest weren’t defined until the time of Moses by which time there were enough people to not have to marry close relatives
-Genesis gives us all the detail we need to know that God created the world
-The thief on the cross next to Jesus did not need to go to purgatory since purgatory does not exist anywhere in the bible…the thief next to Jesus went to paradise just as our Lord said
-Revelation is not impossible to understand but it does help to know a little about prophecy to start with from the books of Daniel, Matthew, etc.
-Adam and Eve were people like you and me…there was no death before sin and so there were no other ‘types’ of people…supposed cave men are all either human beings or apes or extinct species of apes
-The old testament does not need scientific authority since it is God’s word and that is as high an authority as you will ever have.
With all due respect, please consider the truth that we are all sinners and Jesus died to pay for our sins. Put your faith in that biblical truth and investigate the rest after God sends the Holy Spirit to live in you and guide you in all truth.
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savedwretch
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I am using scripture, not tracts. Are you saying that scripture doesn’t say what it does? Put simply, does the Lord Jesus use Genesis as the truth or not? My intention is not to insult you, but if you have a good argument as to why we shouldn’t believe God’s word maybe you could use it instead of sarcasm.Are you saying that the literalist delusion, as you have described as regarding real monsters, are now in manga form?
I have not had time to review current Jack Chick activity. The last time I saw a tract, it was specific anti-Catholic regarding the Eucharist.
Our worthwhile discussion brings to mind some of the “adult” American animated TV shows which make fun of Catholicism. My kids won’t let me watch them if we are surfing channels. But as soon as I leave the room, you can guess which cartoon goes back on the screen.
I am beginning to follow the connection of the 46% creationist view with what you are seeing happening in the Philippines. Am I close to being right?
I have to go, in the meantime God bless you.
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grannymh
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To bring you up-to-date.
There are Catholics off line who are taking what might be called an “offense” position in regard to certain natural science research papers dealing with human origins.
We are tired of Catholics being intimidated by the so-called mountains of evidence which include anthills of assumptions.
We are challenging those inside the Church who wish to change Catholic doctrines regarding human nature, original sin, and ultimately the salvific mission of Jesus Christ in order to be modern.
In the midst of this, we are trying to educate Catholics about the basis of their faith found in the first three chapters of Genesis. This is why misleading polls about 46% holding creationist views need to be analyzed against the truth of Catholicism.
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Not_Sure_1
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Purgatory does exist, the Lord brought the thief up to Paradise because he was truly repentant, and the suffering on the cross was most likely offered up as a punishment for his deeds (he did receive temporal punishment). Also, Men did not go to Heaven before Christ came to earth, so I don’t know if there was purgatory until after Christ accomplished the harrowing of hell.
Jesus did not have brothers. Mary remained ever virgin, and Joseph was a chaste spouse.
His brothers were his cousins, and most (except the woman) are given the names of their fathers and mothers later in the gospels.
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grannymh
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I am in the middle of a conversation with Lost Wanderer. We are dealing with a “Creationist” type situation which is somewhat related to the validity of the 46% poll news article in the opening post. Personally, I believe that the Catholic issue of literal reality regarding Adam’s original sin needs to be considered in determining the value of the 46%. If you have an opinion on the value of the poll, I am interested in hearing it as I have not yet set my observations in stone.
As for a good argument as to why we shouldn’t believe God’s word – Off line I am a writer/editor defending the Catholic doctrine of Monogenism. If you find a news article about this topic and can start a thread, I will be happy to point out the reasons not to believe God’s word regarding human origin.
Then I will point out why Divine Revelation trumps.
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