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What I’m saying is that Rome, Hippo and Carthage were local councils not binding on the whole Church. The Eastern patriarchates did not then and do not now recognize a canon restricted to73 books.
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As an asside, I briefly misread this topic as ‘In what ways can Protestants accept PayPal’
It’s an evil plot being run out of the basement at the Vatican.
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Hodos
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In addition, there was debate on the canon of the Church up to and including at the Council of Trent even in the Latin West. Those who were most familiar with the Hebrew texts such as Cardinal Cajetan also called the additional books deuterocanonical. Earlier scholars such as Jimenez also disagreed with the eventual formula proposed at Trent.
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Exactly. The 73 book canon is historic, but it has never been universal in the Church, western nonCatholics notwithstanding
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Bro, the Church is universal. The Catholic Church covers the Earth, hence the name ‘Catholic’.
And the entirety of that Church, of which you and I and an Orthodox Christian are all members, has never agreed on the canon of scripture, even before the Reformation era.JonNC:
Bro, the Church is universal. The Catholic Church covers the Earth, hence the name ‘Catholic’.
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“And if you ever are visiting in cities, do not inquire simply where the house of the Lord is—for the others, sects of the impious, attempt to call their dens ‘houses of the Lord’—nor ask merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the name peculiar to this holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God”. -Saint Cyril of JerusalemAugustTherese:
And the entirety of that Church, of which you and I and an Orthodox Christian are all members, has never agreed on the canon of scripture, even before the Reformation era.JonNC:
Bro, the Church is universal. The Catholic Church covers the Earth, hence the name ‘Catholic’.
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We have very different meanings of “whole church” as AugustTherese points out. To me, the point you present is akin to the Protestant view.
But either way, the point being made is to the OP and how a Protestant might look favorably on papacy. It’s all about authority. The distinction I made was that Protestants have a bible and a church as the sidekick. Catholicism is the Church that happens to have a Bible. Consider the Catholic Church without a Bible. I’m sure it could get along fine, considering this authority.Scripture and Tradition | Catholic Answers Protestants reject the authority and look where that’s gotten the movement now!
So now, in your view, other Christians are in dens of the sects of the impious.JonNC:
“And if you ever are visiting in cities, do not inquire simply where the house of the Lord is—for the others, sects of the impious, attempt to call their dens ‘houses of the Lord’—nor ask merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the name peculiar to this holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God”. -Saint Cyril of JerusalemAugustTherese:
And the entirety of that Church, of which you and I and an Orthodox Christian are all members, has never agreed on the canon of scripture, even before the Reformation era.JonNC:
Bro, the Church is universal. The Catholic Church covers the Earth, hence the name ‘Catholic’.
As compared to the Catholic Catechism, which says:
I don’t know which “Protestants “ you are speaking of, but I think many would reject what I’ve said. And yes, I reject the triumphalism expressed occasionally by @AugustTherese
Regarding practice and doctrine, statements about “Protestants” are folly. There is no such thing as “the Protestant Church “. So while your expressed opinion may be valid for some non-Catholic communions, it isn’t true of others.
That would make it a two-legged stool.
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That would be a false distinction. In the Protestant view, we have the Church which is the bride of Christ, and just as the wife is subject to her husband, so too is the Church subject to the Word of God, who is Christ in the flesh and the word manifest to us. Scripture provides the record of the word.
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They won’t. And neither will the Orthodox. Nice fantasy but way to far removed. Plus they think they are right. Maybe they are. Who knows. Who even cares anymore. How long are people just going to argue about the same things people have been arguing about for almost two thousand years?
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“In the Catholic Church . . . a few spiritual men attain [wisdom] in this life, in such a way that . . . they know it without any doubting, while the rest of the multitude finds [its] greatest safety not in lively understanding but in the simplicity of believing. . . . [T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in her bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority,
inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house" - Saint Augustine ( Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
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Interesting that you bring up St. Augustine when you have adopted the Semi-Pelagian views that he fought against.
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Define Semi-Pelagianism.
A. D. 397. A full 600 years before Rome and the Eastern patriarchates would fall into Schism. To claim that St Augustine was speaking of only the western see is ludicrous
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So…what’s your point?
My point is to claim that St Augustine was speaking of only the western see is ludicrousJonNC:
So…what’s your point?
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