Independent: Was Bush Right After All?

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We are called to be in the world but not of it
14 I have given them thy word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world
John 17.
Being peace in the world is not something we should do in order to solve the problems of earth in an earthly fashion. It is something we should do to be faithful to the call of Jesus. The liturgy of the word for today, 4th Friday in Lent, seems appropriate.
1 For they reasoned unsoundly, saying to themselves, 12 “Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law, and accuses us of sins against our training. 13 He professes to have knowledge of God, and calls himself a child F5 of the Lord. 14 He became to us a reproof of our thoughts; 15 the very sight of him is a burden to us, because his manner of life is unlike that of others, and his ways are strange. 16 We are considered by him as something base, and he avoids our ways as unclean; he calls the last end of the righteous happy, and boasts that God is his father. 17 Let us see if his words are true, and let us test what will happen at the end of his life; 18 for if the righteous man is God’s child, he will help him, and will deliver him from the hand of his adversaries. 19 Let us test him with insult and torture, so that we may find out how gentle he is, and make trial of his forbearance. 20 Let us condemn him to a shameful death, for, according to what he says, he will be protected.” 21 Thus they reasoned, but they were led astray, for their wickedness blinded them, 22 and they did not know the secret purposes of God, nor hoped for the wages of holiness, nor discerned the prize for blameless souls;
Wisdom 2
 
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Matt25:
We are called to be in the world but not of it
Being peace in the world is not something we should do in order to solve the problems of earth in an earthly fashion. It is something we should do to be faithful to the call of Jesus. The liturgy of the word for today, 4th Friday in Lent, seems appropriate.
When your fellow man is suffering and you can do something about it, you do.

Romans 13:4: “For [the ruler] is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain. He is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him that does evil.”

From the Catechism:

2239 It is the duty of citizens to contribute along with the civil authorities to the good of society in a spirit of truth, justice, solidarity, and freedom. The love and service of one’s country follow from the duty of gratitude and belong to the order of charity. Submission to legitimate authorities and service of the common good require citizens to fulfill their roles in the life of the political community.

2240 Submission to authority and co-responsibility for the common good make it morally obligatory to pay taxes, to exercise the right to vote, and to defend one’s country…
 
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Matt25:
We are called to be in the world but not of it
So, you, according to Jesus, in your understanding of his teaching, are to stand by and watch your wife get raped? And the policeman is suppose to do nothing to “help” you when he sees you getting robbed, mugged and about to be murdered?
 
It is a very limited understanding of humans and human history which supposes that the only alternative to violent action is passive inaction. Has no one ever heard of non-violent resistance? Do the names Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Desmond Tutu mean nothing to you people?

Victory belongs not to those who can inflict the most but to those who can endure the most. Our God does not by his power end human suffering. His gift to us is that he is wholly present with us when we endure suffering. Our faith is a faith not of warriors but of martyrs.

Considers St Maximilian Kolbe theworkofgod.org/Saints/Lives/MaxKolbe.htm
In 1941 he was arrested by the Nazis and sent to the concentration camp at Auschwitz. There he cared for the fellow prisoners and celebrated masses in secret. Eventually there was an occasion in which some men were chosen to die in reprisal for a prisoner’s escape, St. Maximilliam offered his life to take the place of a young married man with children.

He was put to death along with the other prisoners to die a slow death through starvation. He died after two weeks of suffering.

Consider also Oscar Romero who said

**This is the commitment of being a Christian: to follow Christ in his incarnation. If Christ, the God of majesty, became a lowly human and lived with the poor and even died on a cross like a slave, our Christian faith should also be lived in the same way. The Christian who does not want to live this commitment of solidarity with the poor is not worthy to be called Christian.

Christ invites us not to fear persecution.
Believe me, brothers and sisters,
anyone committed to the poor
must suffer the same fate as the poor.
And in El Salvador we know the fate of the poor:
to be taken away,
to be tortured,
to be jailed,
to be found dead.

Let whoever desires this world’s privileges and not the persecutions that come from this commitment listen to the awesome paradox in today’s gospel: “Blessed are you when people hate you and reject you and insult you and say you are evil, because of the Son of Man. Rejoice on that day and leap for joy, because your reward will be great in heaven.”

With great joy and gratitude I wish to congratulate our priests. It is just when they are most committed to the poor that they are most defamed. It is just when they are most at the side of our people in their wretchedness that they are most slandered.

I wish to rejoice with the religious men and women who have taken their stand with our people, even to the point of heroically suffering with them, and with the Christian communities and with the catechists who stay at their posts while cowards flee.

Let those who would flee the effects of persecution, of slander, of degradation, listen to what Christ says this Sunday: “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you! That is what your ancestors did with the false prophets.”
February 17, 1980

** **This is the fundamental thought of my preaching:
Nothing is so important to me as human life.
Taking life is something so serious, so grave –
more than the violation of any other human right –
because it is the life of God’s children,
and because such bloodshed only negates love,
awakens new hatreds,
makes reconciliation and peace impossible.
*March 16, 1980

***The church is calling to sanity,
to understanding,
to love.
It does not believe in violent solutions.
The church believes in only one violence,
that of Christ,
who was nailed to the cross.
That is how today’s gospel reading shows him,
taking upon himself all the violence
of hatred and misunderstanding,
so that we humans might forgive one another,
love one another,
feel ourselves brothers and sisters. (Luke 23:35–43.)
November 20, 1977

*** peacemakersguide.org/articles/GoodNews.htm*

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Matt25:
It is a very limited understanding of humans and human history which supposes that the only alternative to violent action is passive inaction. Has no one ever heard of non-violent resistance? ******
Fine, support those who want freedom by writing on this forum supportive pieces and get out and march for their indendence then!
 
Gilliam,

Not surprisingly, the irony within the headline question on the 8/3/05 inthe Independent went unoticed by yourself and those who took your bait. The headline was followed by a small asterix which corresponded with a comment lower down:
  • " The connection between the invasion of Iraq and the the faltering steps toward democracy in parts of the region is tenuous at best."
The editors of the letters page are still having a great laugh printing letters from those who even in the UK read the comment quite literally.

You wouldn’t find much common ground with the Indy, one of the UK’s best newspapers and most consistent opponents of the criminal and illegal invasion of Iraq.
 
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leonardoboff:
You wouldn’t find much common ground with the Indy, one of the UK’s best newspapers and most consistent opponents of the criminal and illegal invasion of Iraq.
I understand that as a socialist you would enjoy that paper. As a repulican (small r) I do not.
 
So, Matt25, what are the Muslims saying to you when you take your message to them to stop the violence?
 
I think it is clear that Christian democracies (e.g., U.S.A.) trump secular or quasi-Christian dictatorships (e.g., communism, which is just a deformation of Christianity). But it is not at all clear that Islamic democracies trump Islamic dictatorships.

Or put more succinctly, will democracy trump religion in the Middle East? This is the key. And this is Bush’s big bet. Because if democracy doesn’t work there, may God help us all.
 
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