Infiltration... Top selling catholic book on amazon

[MagdalenaRita]

He retweeted an article from infowars, which is Alex Jones’ web site. I don’t know how that doesn’t signify some level of defense. I truly hope I’m wrong – I like some of what Marshall produces, and I really enjoy his conversations with Timothy Gordon. But he seems predisposed to agree with conspiracy theories and that’s a red flag for me.

In all charity, I hope we are not coming to the place where we are going to judge someone for tweeting a tweet from someone who tweeted something about someone else, especially when we do not know for a fact the reason for the retweet. Also the retweet was not from infowars but from Paul Joseph Watson, who is followed by many other Catholics, priests, sisters and laity.

I listen to Taylor Marshall frequently. I don’t agree with everything he says but his New St. Thomas Institute is very, very good. It is like a video catechism. TNT videos are pretty good also. So, I think it is best, and I would rather, read practical reviews of the book and the person than quick anonymous judgements based on a retweet of tweet that has nothing to do with the subject.

I think Father Longenecker has a very good and practical review of the book and Mr. Marshall.

Taylor Marshall’s “Infiltration” | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

I was sent a pre-publication copy of Taylor Marshall's Infiltration. I read the book with interest, but didn't discover anything new. What's the book about? It "exposes" nefarious influences in the contemporary Catholic Church. Taylor lines up the usual suspects: Freemasons, Modernists...

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[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

He retweeted an article from infowars, which is Alex Jones’ web site. I don’t know how that doesn’t signify some level of defense. I truly hope I’m wrong – I like some of what Marshall produces, and I really enjoy his conversations with Timothy Gordon. But he seems predisposed to agree with conspiracy theories and that’s a red flag for me.

In all charity, I hope we are not coming to the place where we are going to judge someone for tweeting a tweet from someone who tweeted something about someone else, especially when we do not know for a fact the reason for the retweet. Also the retweet was not from infowars but from Paul Joseph Watson, who is followed by many other Catholics, priests, sisters and laity.

I listen to Taylor Marshall frequently. I don’t agree with everything he says but his New St. Thomas Institute is very, very good. It is like a video catechism. TNT videos are pretty good also. So, I think it is best, and I would rather, read practical reviews of the book and the person than quick anonymous judgements based on a retweet of tweet that has nothing to do with the subject.

I think Father Longenecker has a very good and practical review of the book and Mr. Marshall.

Taylor Marshall’s “Infiltration” | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

If someone retweets something, that’s a sign of support for what’s been retweeted. It’s just how Twitter works. He retweeted an article from infowars – that someone else shared it first doesn’t change that he also shared it. If I retweet a press release from Planned Parenthood that was originally shared by someone supportive of PP, it’s perfectly legitimate – and expected – that someone assume I’m supportive of PP, too.

Of course, this doesn’t mean you have to accept my read of Marshall. I just don’t think he’s 100% perfect and it seems that the praise given to him by the minions who got advanced copies of his book in order to inflate his Amazon review count do think he’s perfect. It’s kind of creepy to me. I did read Fr. Longenecker’s review and found it to be quite good, too.

 

[Crusader13]

I’m not attempting to cast a generalization over every individual self proclaimed Muslim. The biggest difference when comparing our two faiths and using the analogy of “not wanting to judge a religion by only looking at the bad members”, isn’t fully applicable in this sense.

When one looks at Christianity, you can’t point to white supremacists burning crosses in people’s lawns, as an authentic representation of Christian beliefs. You can’t point to members of the Westboro Baptist church, or individuals who’ve bombed abortion clinics and say they reflect biblical teachings and doctrine. These types of “christians” are anything but Christian and no one can open up the bible and find justification for actions such as these, without seriously distorting the Word of God.

Islam however is different. You can look at those members of the Islamic religion who want to bring Sharia law to the west, or those who subjugate women and those who want to use force to kill non believers and speak out against Christianity, not as radicals who are distorting the doctrines of Islam found in the Qur’an, but as adhering to what the Qur’an is directing them to do.

Those Muslims who do not partake of such radial actions are not representing authentic Islamic faith, but have chosen to ignore or remain indifferent to what is being commanded of them.

Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward.”

 

[gracepoole]

If you’re using destroyed, in the militaristic warfare sense, no of course not. Does the Church want every Muslim to convert and embrace the Catholic Church and Jesus Christ as necessary for salvation. Absolutely.

I would say listen to the episode of TNT in which he and Gordon get into this topic and decide from there for yourself. It was the one time when I was really taken aback by his comments and I’ve listened to nearly all of their joint programs.

 

[Crusader13]

I would say listen to the episode of TNT in which he and Gordon get into this topic and decide from there for yourself. It was the one time when I was really taken aback by his comments and I’ve listened to nearly all of their joint programs.

I’ve listened to it. I don’t recall him saying that Muslims should be destroyed, but if that’s what you’re claiming, I’ll have to listen to it again. I do recall him saying that Islam needs to be refuted and resisted and we need to pray for them and use the Rosary as a weapon for converting Muslims. I agree with this sentiment, at least in principle. Islam is not compatible with Christianity, it’s just not.

Muslims are not taught to simply co-exist with non-believers and let everyone worship and do as they please. They don’t adhere to the same Judeo-Christian beliefs that our country was founded upon. Their conscience mandates that they call for and enact Sharia law when they are the majority in a country or region.

I for one don’t want to live under Sharia law. There are grave errors in their teachings and if we, as the Catholic Church, are claiming that we are the One Truth Faith, founded by God; then we cannot compromise these truths for the sake of ecumenical peace.

 

[gracepoole]

I’ve listened to it. I don’t recall him saying that Muslims should be destroyed, but if that’s what you’re claiming, I’ll have to listen to it again. I do recall him saying that Islam needs to be refuted and resisted and we need to pray for them and use the Rosary as a weapon for converting Muslims. I agree with this sentiment, at least in principle. Islam is not compatible with Christianity, it’s just not.

I want to be REALLY clear here, as I don’t want to be guilty of calumny. Marshall didn’t say that Muslims should be destroyed: he said Islam should be destroyed. Marshall is a Christian – he doesn’t wish anyone to be destroyed, I’m certain. He’s a good man. I think he’s fond of conspiracy theories and I felt there was a certain level of violence inherent in his call to destroy Islam that made me super uncomfortable. But he’s not someone who I think wishes harm on other people. Hope that’s clear…

I don’t want to live under Sharia law either. I’m Catholic: I don’t agree with Islam. Marshall’s comments didn’t strike me as being about peaceful and harmonious conversion to Christianity, and his choice to call Muslims Mohammedans seems like an unnecessarily divisive and offensive choice.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

If someone retweets something, that’s a sign of support for what’s been retweeted. It’s just how Twitter works. He retweeted an article from infowars – that someone else shared it first doesn’t change that he also shared it. If I retweet a press release from Planned Parenthood that was originally shared by someone supportive of PP, it’s perfectly legitimate – and expected – that someone assume I’m supportive of PP, too.

I think we will just have to agree to disagree here because what I see is that he retweeted a comment from someone else regarding the book 1984, censorship and de- listing of infowars. It is also good to read the comments that go along with the tweet before making assumptions. Retweets are not always a sign of support. Assumptions are rarely good.

I just don’t think he’s 100% perfect

I do not think he is 100% perfect either and there are definitely things I disagree with him about but, and again in all charity, I do not like the way we make judgement calls on people today based on a few words on the internet.

 

[Cirdan_XII]

I have not read rthis book and do not intend to.

Whereas I would tend to agree that there are serious problems within the Church and within the Vatican, I don’t think the right way to tackle it is by writing populist books. These books sow divison and mistrust and give ammunition to those who hate all of the Church. The best way to change things is through prayer, and through our own postive efforts and example. Praise the good rather than attack the bad.

 

[TheLittleLady]

When one looks at Christianity, you can’t point to white supremacists burning crosses in people’s lawns, as an authentic representation of Christian beliefs. You can’t point to members of the Westboro Baptist church, or individuals who’ve bombed abortion clinics and say they reflect biblical teachings and doctrine. These types of “christians” are anything but Christian and no one can open up the bible and find justification for actions such as these, without seriously distorting the Word of God

And the Muslims I have met/interacted with use exactly the same anology. That Christianity cannot be defined by those distortions and neither can Islam be defined by terrorists. I sat with the president and about 50 members of a local Mosque. The look on one man’s face when he said “every time a headline comes on the news with a terrible event, I just pray that it was not a Muslim because that means my kids are going to be bullied at school again.”

The quiet, observant Muslims I know do not want to “bring Sharia law to the west” any more than you and I want to impose Canon Law on our nation.

The Church teaches me that we worship the same God, and I believe the Church.

Edit to add.

One can cherry pick Scripture to make Christianity appear violent and radical.

 

[Crusader13]

The Church teaches me that we worship the same God, and I believe the Church.

I wasn’t advocating that terrorist should be used to judge Islam. If anything I’m saying the Qur’an has serious and extremely questionable teachings in the book that has misguided an entire religion into accepting questionable beliefs regarding God and what their role is as his followers.

I know there are Church documents and clergy who suggest we worship the same God, but that’s not to suggest their is Truth in their teachings and doctrines that will get someone to Heaven.

I know most people will point to recent documents, such as Nostra Aetate, as the definitive declaration on all things Muslim; but that would be incorrect.

It wasn’t meant to serve as a binding doctrinal acknowledgment of the legitimacy of Islam as a true and accepted route for Salvation. It was merely a fraternal attempt at ecumenical peace by trying to suggest we have commonality in worshipping the same God.

We should treat Muslims with love, charity and respect to be sure. However, after spending time in the Middle East and attending seminars and classes on Islam, it is clear we do not share a common faith or even an accepted and similar view of God. There are serious and grave errors in their teachings, some, when put into practice as they are in Islamic countries, would be a terrifying eye opener, even to those Muslims in our country.

Believe me there is a difference from merely practicing Islam here in the US as opposed to living under it.

 

[yankeesouth]

I wonder, since we are on the topic of Taylor Marshall’s book, are their any other books that anyone would recommend that deal with similar issues addressed by Infiltration? I am going to the library tomorrow and would like to see if I can borrow a similarly themed book for now (Taylor’s book will sit for a bit in my Kindle wishlist). Thanks in advance!

The Popes Against Modern Errors: 16 Papal Documents - Hard-Hitting Condemnations of Many of Today’s Most Notorious Errors​

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[yankeesouth]

Bishop Athanasius Schneider wrote the forward so that alone tells me Taylor Marshall’s book is legit.

 

[Cirdan_XII]

And the Muslims I have met/interacted with use exactly the same anology. That Christianity cannot be defined by those distortions and neither can Islam be defined by terrorists. I sat with the president and about 50 members of a local Mosque. The look on one man’s face when he said “every time a headline comes on the news with a terrible event, I just pray that it was not a Muslim because that means my kids are going to be bullied at school again.”

However, whereas 99.99% of Christians do not in any way have sympathy for the burning of KKK crosses or such things, I think that sadly, Islam does have a problem with disowning and condemning its more radical elements. I have had so many conversations with Muslims where they first of all say “we condemn all this and it has nothing to do with our religion” but when they open up a bit more, you hear, “but the Palestinians” and “there are radical Christians too” and “Cordoba”. There are whole swathes of middle east where people don’t have problems praising Hitler and with speaking the worst kind of antisemitism. Muslims who deny all this have either lived a very sheltered life or have a double agenda.

 

[Donkey]

Almost finished reading the book…life happens. My thoughts and prayers are preoccupied with it.
I’m rounding up chapter - Solving the Current Crisis- and wondering if clueless and uninformed Catholics should have been categorized somewhere in this chapter. My feeling is that number Catholics is quite high.
After all, think about how many, many were not properly formed in the Faith for the past 50 years. Think of how many bury their heads in the sand and hide or simply don’t care.
CAF…CAF has been the only forum I have read and participated for years…when did this forum begin? Seriously, I have lost track of time. No other forum matters to me.
All the things Dr. Marshall talks about in his book have been discussed here at length (ouch…some topics removed…in case you check), so I am familiar. It is a great relief to see it all come together in binding. Really… a big relief to see the big awful and messy picture…no more peek-a-boo through tiny cracks. No more squinting and trying to focus.
I’m off to read to the end.

 

[commenter]

Marshall has maintained that Islam must be destroyed. In toto. Does the Church teach this?

The Catholic Church teaches that the goal is all persons should of their own free will be converted to Christianity. Christian belief is incompatible with Islam, as both religions would agree.

Since the Church strives for a world where everyone has a free choice, and no one chooses Islam,
I think that answers your question.

 

[gracepoole]

gracepoole:

Marshall has maintained that Islam must be destroyed. In toto. Does the Church teach this?

The Catholic Church teaches that the goal is all persons should of their own free will be converted to Christianity. Christian belief is incompatible with Islam, as both religions would agree.

Since the Church strives for a world where everyone has a free choice, and no one chooses Islam,
I think that answers your question.

See below:

I don’t want to live under Sharia law either. I’m Catholic: I don’t agree with Islam. Marshall’s comments didn’t strike me as being about peaceful and harmonious conversion to Christianity, and his choice to call Muslims Mohammedans seems like an unnecessarily divisive and offensive choice.

 

[TheLittleLady]

wondering if clueless and uninformed Catholics should have been categorized somewhere in this chapter. My feeling is that number Catholics is quite high.
After all, think about how many, many were not properly formed in the Faith for the past 50 years. Think of how many bury their heads in the sand and hide or simply don’t care.

It is mighty presumptuous to assume that “many” other Catholics are, to put it bluntly, not as pious nor smart as you.

 

[Donkey]

It is mighty presumptuous to assume that “many” other Catholics are, to put it bluntly, not as pious nor smart as you.

Not at all a presumption…but please don’t say presumptuous.
I dare say it is divided just like the red and blue in this country…50/50.
Oh I am certain too many Catholics are Catholic by name only.
When you have a schism come to your diocese like I did then maybe you can appreciate better my understanding.
Perhaps the book by Dr. Marshall will only be read by those interested anyway…about 50% of the Catholic population in the US. How that 50% moves forward helping the other 1/2 counts for something.

I am not sure why but I keep having an image like the ship in the 70’s movie Posiedan Adventure when I talk with some people here.

 

[Petrus1]

Bishop Athanasius Schneider wrote the forward

These words alone will make some people run from his book, for Bishop Schneider is sometimes discredited and disliked by Catholics.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

By some but there are also others who think very highly of him