INSIGHTS ON ATHEISM

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Carl:
MONARCHY

Sorry, guess I missed the question. You know he has a way of raising so many questions all at once, you can’t answer all of them without writing a book.

I generally pick the points I find most worthy of being answered and ignore the rest.

I think that if you atheists would ask single questions and wait for the answer to your question, instead of shooting buckshot, you might get more answers, and more satisfacoty answers. But no, I’m not going to play the buckshot game.

Make your posts short and to the point. You will get an answer. These are rational rules and I won’t play by any other.

I have addressed the mystery of evil. That was in response to one of his points. I have also addressed the question of whether all religions are equal. If he wants to make the case that Indian religion is equal to the Christian religion, that is for him to prove, not me. I’d be interested in his proof. I think he has some homework to do if he wants to make any kind of case.

Peace,
Carl
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Here is a straightforward short question: Why is your religion more ‘real’, ‘better’, etc… than the Indian religion posted about.

another one:

How can a ‘loving god’ torture people for eternity? An infinite punishment for a finite crime seems to me to be unjust.
 
The actual questions I present are valid.

If you are too tired to read a question about the authority of a total and absolute being, then maybe you dont have as much priority in your faith as you presume.

My question, why is my friend indian faith any better than you christian faith.

His tribe has love, friendship, hope, and strength

Ive been waiting for this answer almost since I started chatting here.
 
*‘Submiting to the Mystery’ requires putting my ability to reason on cruise control. *

There you go again; presuming that if God won’t tell you everything, if He doesn’t fill your head with all knowledge, then there can’t be a God. That is on a par with a two-year old asking “Why?” and then not being able to fathom Dad’s answer because Dad can’t give his reasons to a two-year old. Yet you never hear a two-year old conclude from Dad’s final answer(“Because I said so”) that Dad doesn’t exist. He still loves his Dad, even though he be unfathomable.

That’s more than can be said for the atheist.
 
ArisSlatr

His tribe has love, friendship, hope, and strength

So does ours. Does his tribe have a Savior? If I knew what tribe you refer to, I could ask more questions.

Your point, though, is painfully generic.

Do some homework.

We’ll talk again.

Peace,
Carl
 
I can see dad.

Sorry, I thought you were an atheist. You know, Dad with a big “D.”
 
Really? I’d like to write a longer post, but someone doesnt want to read them!

Homework? Your the one who wants the simple answer, and the short posts.

His tribe has the eagle spirit, and they can earn souls.

They can feel it.

They have as much proof to me as you do. I see nature. I see rocks.

Show me more evidence than they have. They’re stories of the eagle spirit performing miricles are as legitemate as yours.
 
They’re stories of the eagle spirit performing miricles are as legitemate as yours.

The burden of proof is on you, since you are making the claim. You’ve offered only glittering generalities.

Dude, get a dictionary!
 
I have the same evidence you do, you just have to have faith.

Being that is the case, and Ive been in these forums for hours, I think its time to go have dinner with my extended family. Good luck on the rest of discussion. It’s been fun.
 
The atheist finally has to ask himself: “Because I cannot understand how God exists, does that mean God cannot exist?” When he answers that question by nodding his head in assent, we know his objection to God is really not so much in the intellect as in the will. He does not want God to exist, and he orders his intellect to obey his will.
 
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Monarchy:
The only problem is which god do I believe in? Allah, Zeus, Cthullu, Ra, etc… Pascal assumed that Christianity was correct. What if the norse were correct? You can’t prove they are not.

Yet an ever ‘loving’ god will punish me will eternal torment for making the wrong decision.
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Interesting though, but one first has to believe in the existence of God before investigating which view of God may be correct.

It is interesting, too, the idea of an all-loving God punishing you for your choices.

Let’s suppose that you live your life denying the very existence of God. Now you pass beyond the pale and find an all-loving God standing before you. Are you going to all of a sudden do a 180-degree turnaround and embrace this God you have denied for most, if not all, of your life? That is hardly likely. Instead, I think it far more likely to say, “No God, I have lived my life without you and I don’t want to change that now.” Is God punishing you if you choose an eternity fleeing from him in the same way that your life was lived?

Just a thought.
 
dfhauer

Welcome to the forum. I hope the rest of your posts will be as interesting as the first one.

Peace,
Carl
 
For anyone interested, here is an article titled “The Psychology of Atheism” by Paul Vitz, written after recovering from his own bout with atheism and sort of a short version of his book Faith of the Fatherless, which is a good deal more impressive for its documentation of his central thesis.

Vitz agrees with Plato that atheism is a disease of the soul before it becomes an error of understanding.
 
On another thread someone is asking whether others can find a way to God through other religions. Not only can people find God in other religions outside the Catholic Church (because God is everywhere), they can find God in no religion at all. I think atheism is an unconscious search for God that takes the ultimate Nay as the first step toward God. When we find that atheism does not work, we have to move away from it. And the only direction away from no god is toward “Yes, God.”
 
Why does the atheist routinely spend himself arguing with Christians about why God does not exist? Is he trying to assure himself that God does not exist by asking Christians difficult questions that neither they nor he can adequately answer? Is he trying to do good by persuading Christians that they need to stop wasting themselves on a fantasy? Is he trying to turn the world into an endless and immortal empire of atheism? Does he believe that the world would be better off without God? If so, he has nothing more than faith to build his argument on, for the simple reason that such a world has never existed in human history. In other words, he believes in something that has never been seen.

He believes in heaven on earth.

Sounds quaintly religious, doesn’t it?
 
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Monarchy:
Theist: Something cannot come from nothing!

**Me:**Who created God, since something can not come from nothing?

TheistGod does not need a creator!
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If God was the CREATOR of everything(note EVERYTHING, so there wouldn’t be anything else) then he wouldn’t need a creator now would he? Because he’s the one who started it all, so…
😉 (If everything had to have come from something then there wouldn’t be anything because one thing must have been there to start it)
 
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Carl:
Why does the atheist routinely spend himself arguing with Christians about why God does not exist? Is he trying to assure himself that God does not exist by asking Christians difficult questions that neither they nor he can adequately answer?"
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I don’t think this is why atheists argue. I think it is because a theist puts forth argument X. The atheist sees argument X and decides to test argument X. If argument X fails, the atheist explains why and waits for the theist to come up with a new argument (Y). The cycle continues. As skeptics, atheists should not sit around comfortable with the knowledge that they are right, but rather understand that they could be wrong. Therefore, we should seek out the best arguments for the existence of gods and compose our own arguments against the existence of gods.
Is he trying to do good by persuading Christians that they need to stop wasting themselves on a fantasy?
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Persuading X-ians to drop their “fanatasy” could be good and could be bad. It depends on the circumstances. I’ll respect your right to believe what you want to believe (although I may disagree with it) as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody else physically or mentally.
Is he trying to turn the world into an endless and immortal empire of atheism?
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No, I want an immortal empire of snarfwidgets.
Does he believe that the world would be better off without God?
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How can he think that he is better off without something that he doesn’t even believe exists?
If so, he has nothing more than faith to build his argument on, for the simple reason that such a world has never existed in human history. In other words, he believes in something that has never been seen.
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Is this possibly a strawman? I think you should be more concerned with reality instead of your own imagination.
He believes in heaven on earth.

Sounds quaintly religious, doesn’t it?
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And the final blow to the strawman. You like to state all of these things that atheists supposedly believe in, but you keep leaving out the one and only thing that makes one an atheist. Atheists do no believe in a god(s).
 
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Carl:
The atheist finally has to ask himself: “Because I cannot understand how God exists, does that mean God cannot exist?” When he answers that question by nodding his head in assent, we know his objection to God is really not so much in the intellect as in the will. He does not want God to exist, and he orders his intellect to obey his will.
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Well said Carl,

I know a lady who says she is an athiest, but then goes on to say she believes in souls etc.

I think some people call themselves athiests as they don’t want to appear “churchy” or “preachy”

Love Kellie
 
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kellie:
Well said Carl,

I know a lady who says she is an athiest, but then goes on to say she believes in souls etc.

I think some people call themselves athiests as they don’t want to appear “churchy” or “preachy”

Love Kellie
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Atheists are allowed to have beliefs, but I doubt that is what the lady you’re talking about is doing. I think the second statement was funny, but going from churchy to atheist is a polar extreme if you’re just concerned about your appearance. It definitely will get you noticed if that is the desired affect.
 
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Carl:
The atheist finally has to ask himself: “Because I cannot understand how God exists, does that mean God cannot exist?” When he answers that question by nodding his head in assent, we know his objection to God is really not so much in the intellect as in the will. He does not want God to exist, and he orders his intellect to obey his will.
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We cannot understand how God exists because we don’t think he exists in the first place. One comes before the other, don’t confuse it.

Why would we not want God to exist? I am sorry but you must push aside your worldview when trying to understand the worldview of another. Do not assume your perception of the world is the same as everyone else’s.

The rejection of the **concept **of God is one we have based hopefully on intellect and not emotion. Of course there are some atheists who are simply the result of being bitter in life and believing God does not exist because no loving God would do such a thing. Emotional conclusions are never condoned in any situation.

Why would anybody WANT to believe that when they die they’re dead… that’s it. It simply happens that our intellect dictates what we believe
 
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