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You liar! You love it!
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Zundrah
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Well okay, but they were lying too?
Then how come this thread has extended by several pages of your responces since our conversation, huh?
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tjm190
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No more than they were lying when they predicated a militaristic messiah, or talked about the pillars of the Earth
Cause we’ve been talking about evolution, not scriptural authorship
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Zundrah
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What!? What else do you deny in the scriptures? Next will you deny Christ?
Crikey, I’m glad this thread did derail. No catholic should be left in your state!
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tjm190
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Do you deny that the Earth has pillars which could be shaken? That there is a dome filled with water above the Earth?
Non-literalism?
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But that part of the bible that you quoted is classified as divine scripture isn’t it? So the bible in your view is built upon primitive beliefs by primitive men?
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Don’t kill my flow!
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tjm190
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The parts I mentioned are in the bible as well- (pillars of the earth/dome of water)
But we should return to the topic at hand.
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Zundrah
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You didn’t answer the question! Is the bible written by primitive men based on primitive beliefs that were completely uninspired?
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tjm190
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Oh dear… No- however, certain passages meant to give a certain meaning (e.g. God created all there is and set men above the rest) do not hold scientific value.
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Zundrah
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I HAVE TO LEAVE NOW AS IT IS 5:55AM! But tell me, do you believe 100% of what the Catholic Church teaches? Post quickly so I can read it before I go to sleep now!
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tjm190
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I can truthfully pray the Creed every Sunday- outside of that, I do have issues with the Church.
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Zundrah
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Please tell me your issues with the church, either by PM or posting here or by putting a message on my public wall. I want and need to know!
This sounds quite interesting.
…good night… (Oh alright,) I’ll wait for your next response before I sleep! So don’t delay! You better warn me if you are not planning on responding! That’ll be plain mean!
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My, this thread was moving quickly overnight.
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No, I was reporting him correctly. I referred you to his 2004 paper and I also referred you to his testimony at the Dover trial. Both are available on the internet and both show that Professor Behe accepts that IC systems can evolve. Your failure to go and look at the sources I pointed you to has led you into error. By now you should have learned that you need to check things before posting.We conclude that, in general, to be fixed in 10[sup]8[/sup] generations, the production of novel protein features that require the participation of two or more amino acid residues simply by multiple point mutations in duplicated genes would entail population sizes of no less than 10[sup]9[/sup].
- Behe and Snoke (2004), Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues.
Under oath at Dover, Behe agreed that 10[sup]8[/sup] generations would take about 20,000 years.
Lenski’s experiments on E. coli are about the real world with real observations. A strain that could not digest citrate 20 years ago can now digest citrate using an Irreducibly Complex system of enzymes to do so.
You lose. The point of ID is to look sciency enough to get taught in science classes in American public schools. As soon as you talk about “soul” you are straight out of science class and into theology class. Get with the program and ixnay the oulsay.
Congratulations. My mother says that the first eighteen years were the worst, but what does she know?
Been there, done that, got the scars.
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buffalo
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What were the authors trying to convey?
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tjm190
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Exactly my point- certain biblical passages attempt to convey ideas rather than empirical truths- I would no more believe all that exists was created in 6 days than I would that the Earth stands on pillars, or that mountains skip like rams when a new king of Israel arises (if that was the context of the passage, I don’t exactly recall).
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edwest2
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Science cannot create life in the lab. Fact.
Living things just design themselves? False.
Peace,
Ed
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tjm190
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Science can not create stars in a lab. Fact.
Stars can just design themselves? False. (I haven’t seen it, it seems like it would be complicated, therefore impossible)
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rossum
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Science can create some of the building blocks of life in the lab. Fact.
Creationism cannot create life in the lab. Fact.
Creationism cannot create any of the building blocks of life in the lab. Fact.
Creationism is a better explanation than science? False.
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buffalo
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Absolutely it is. Your a priori science worldview is sadly deficient. When will you see that materialistic science has painted you into a corner?
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This is Catholic Answers, not Science Answers Only. Creationism is a witness to the power of God and what God and God alone can do.
This forum is not a call to Radical Materialism. It is, however, a recognition that Faith and Science are regarded by the Church as complementary. One part science and one part faith make a whole. Science without the Deposit of Faith is incomplete. It is not whole. It is deficient in knowing all of what man needs to know.
Peace,
Ed
This forum is not a call to Radical Materialism. It is, however, a recognition that Faith and Science are regarded by the Church as complementary. One part science and one part faith make a whole. Science without the Deposit of Faith is incomplete. It is not whole. It is deficient in knowing all of what man needs to know.
Peace,
Ed
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