You misundersood what I meant by that. Our church leaders are here to guide us. However, if they say anything that is against what God says, whether in the BIBLE or through His direct line of communication with you, their word becomes void.This is probably the same as throwing gasoline on a fire, but the whole “Our pope is Jesus” argument opens the door for all sorts of craziness. Yes, Jesus is the greatest, end all, be all authority. No argument. But if we can reject the Pope’s authority, because “Jesus is the pope,” then why even have a pastor at your church? Jesus is the leader of the local church, not the pastor! Who needs him!
Let’s take it a step further: Why even pray if Jesus knows what our thoughts are and what we’ll do in life? Hey, if we keep going with this, why even go to church? Jesus knows our hearts, we don’t need church!
Extreme? Yes. But I think if you disregard one thing, The Pope’s authority, you leave the door open for disregarding so many more things.
I will read it. I will put the page in my favorites, in my folder titled Catholic. I took RCIA and I’m all for learning more about the Catholic church. Usually, if I have a question I ask my husband.I would suggest you take some time to read the Catechism and understand WHAT the Pope is to Catholics.
You can read it on line at www.usccb.org.
You got that out of a book I think. Monsg, Chido always says, "The greatest journey we will ever make is the one between the head and the heart. Me thinks you just like to be negative about everything you think you know. Not a good path to Heaven!!!I know Jesus is not the Pope. Jesus is Lord and He is to me what the Pope is to you. As far as transubtantiation is the change of the substance of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ occurring in the Eucharist, while all that is accessible to the senses remain as before.
Awantz,I know Jesus is not the Pope. Jesus is Lord and He is to me what the Pope is to you. As far as transubtantiation is the change of the substance of bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ occurring in the Eucharist, while all that is accessible to the senses remain as before.
Yet again, this seems problematic to me. I believe in moral absolutes and a moral universe. Under this belief, I see that there are things that are morally good and morally bad irregardless of what each individual may think. You are showing a belief in moral relativism, which denies universal truths. As a Christian/Catholic, I think it would be nearly impossible to be a moral relativist, as God does have a code of law.You misundersood what I meant by that. Our church leaders are here to guide us. However, if they say anything that is against what God says, whether in the BIBLE or through His direct line of communication with you, their word becomes void.
No, I don’t understand what you are trying to say and I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say either. I trust God more than man and that includes the pope.Yet again, this seems problematic to me. I believe in moral absolutes and a moral universe. Under this belief, I see that there are things that are morally good and morally bad irregardless of what each individual may think. You are showing a belief in moral relativism, which denies universal truths. As a Christian/Catholic, I think it would be nearly impossible to be a moral relativist, as God does have a code of law.
You say you trust God’s communication with you more than church authorities. In this sense, you put your own personal opinion above 2000 years of church tradition. I find this problematic because it allows for each person to have an individual moral universe, thus moral relativism.
Do you understand what I’m trying to say?
If you don’t trust the Pope, then you don’t trust God either because HE gave us the Pope. Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church over 2,000 years ago, that is our beginning. Our Doctrine is all that HE revealed to the Apostles by Word of mouth, Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Scripture. He promised the protection of the Holy Spirit till the end if time. The Gates of Hell will not prevail against HIS Church. NOT EVER, HE promised and if you can’t trust Jesus, who can you trust. Honestly I think your pulling our leg with all this.No, I don’t understand what you are trying to say and I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say either. I trust God more than man and that includes the pope.
It is not that I don’t trust the Pope. I trust him just as much as I trust my pastor, but he is still man and no man is perfect. I do trust God, I trust Him with my life. Jesus Christ founded Christianity. The Holy Spirit is with/protecting me, too. His Church, that arises a question of who is His Church. I believe His Church is the body of believers as a whole. What you are saying tells me that you believe that His Church includes Catholic only. I guess that could be the start of another topic.If you don’t trust the Pope, then you don’t trust God either because HE gave us the Pope. Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church over 2,000 years ago, that is our beginning. Our Doctrine is all that HE revealed to the Apostles by Word of mouth, Sacred Tradition, and Sacred Scripture. He promised the protection of the Holy Spirit till the end if time. The Gates of Hell will not prevail against HIS Church. NOT EVER, HE promised and if you can’t trust Jesus, who can you trust. Honestly I think your pulling our leg with all this.
Look, no matter what you say, you can’t deny the Truth. To deny the TRUTH would be to deny Christ. HE said. "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the LIFE. The Catholic Church is Christianity. Where was your church for 1,500 years before the reformation??? All other christian denominations are a break-off of some sort or another from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Read the Writings by the Early Church Fathers. You say you don’t trust the Pope because he is a man and no man is perfect. Well another indication you know very little about the Catholic Faith. We don’t believe the Pope is perfect either, even tho he may be a very Holy man. It is NOT the Pope that protects the Catholic Church from error, Its the Holy Spirit and HE IS PERFECT.It is not that I don’t trust the Pope. I trust him just as much as I trust my pastor, but he is still man and no man is perfect. I do trust God, I trust Him with my life. Jesus Christ founded Christianity. The Holy Spirit is with/protecting me, too. His Church, that arises a question of who is His Church. I believe His Church is the body of believers as a whole. What you are saying tells me that you believe that His Church includes Catholic only. I guess that could be the start of another topic.
In the atmosphere of Pentecost - that of spiritual joy and Christian love - the ecclesial unity celebrations between Chaldeans and Assyrians, Catholic and Apostolic, were conducted, as scheduled, on Saturday and Pentecost Sunday, May 10 & 11 2008, in the cities of Turlock, Ceres and Modesto CA. The liturgical ceremonies and the social banquet were performed in order to finalize and seal the merger, in the Catholic Diocese of St. Peter the Apostle, of four Assyrian parochial communities and two missions, including their clergy and faithful.
Bishop Mar Sarhad Y. Jammo, Eparch of the Catholic Diocese of St. Peter the Apostle, presided over the ceremonies, accompanied by Bishop Mar Bawai Soro, the spiritual leader of the unity movement among the Assyrians, with the participation of the Assyrian and Chaldean regional clergy, having all of them professed publicly, with their faithful, the Catholic faith in the Lord and his Church.I’m not denying any truth. Trusting God over man has nothing to do with what I know or don’t know about the Catholic Faith. I am not Catholic, but I am a Christian/ a child of God and the Holy Spirit protects me too. Please don’t put words in my mouth. Catholics are very God at trying to tell us non Catholic Christians what we believe and I’m not trying to tell you what you believe. Most if not all of what I have said in these forums comes straight from the mouth of a Catholic, either a Catholic on this website or a Catholic I see on a regular basis.Look, no matter what you say, you can’t deny the Truth. To deny the TRUTH would be to deny Christ. HE said. "I am the Way, the TRUTH and the LIFE. The Catholic Church is Christianity. Where was your church for 1,500 years before the reformation??? All other christian denominations are a break-off of some sort or another from the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Read the Writings by the Early Church Fathers. You say you don’t trust the Pope because he is a man and no man is perfect. Well another indication you know very little about the Catholic Faith. We don’t believe the Pope is perfect either, even tho he may be a very Holy man. It is NOT the Pope that protects the Catholic Church from error, Its the Holy Spirit and HE IS PERFECT.
Please don’t put words in my mouth, you protestants are very good at trying to tell us Catholics what we believe and what we mean. If I want to say something, I can come right out and say it, I don’t need your help or interpretation. Another indication you don’t understand the Catholic Faith as well as you think you do.
Then what in the world are you doing on a Catholic Forum in many threads saying the same thing over and over again??? What are you looking for here? You posted your reasons so whats next, what do you expect of us. You say one thing one time and something else another. I think you just like to stir the pot.He loves his and I love mine. I will not leave my church for the Catholic church. I have posted some of my reasons, including the main one, on Reason for not being Catholic.
I am here to leave my options open. I’m here to learn more. I’m here for my husband. I’m here for unity. I’m here for a number of reasons. However, I’m not here to be insulted.Then what in the world are you doing on a Catholic Forum in many threads saying the same thing over and over again??? What are you looking for here? You posted your reasons so whats next, what do you expect of us. You say one thing one time and something else another. I think you just like to stir the pot.
I didn’t insult you. Seems to me your just spinning your wheels and getting nowhere. I don’t think your even interested in learning, you seem soooo negative about everything anyone says. As for unity, well you seem to be quite content right where you are, and what good is all this going to do your husband???I am here to leave my options open. I’m here to learn more. I’m here for my husband. I’m here for unity. I’m here for a number of reasons. However, I’m not here to be insulted.
Well, you are wrong. I’m not negative unless someone is putting me and/ or my faith down. Yes, I’m happy at my church, but I would like to see unity and with the way my pastor talks, I think he would too. He is Catholic.I didn’t insult you. Seems to me your just spinning your wheels and getting nowhere. I don’t think your even interested in learning, you seem soooo negative about everything anyone says. As for unity, well you seem to be quite content right where you are, and what good is all this going to do your husband???