intercession

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!
Psalm45:9:

Pax Vobiscvm!

I apologize again, I thought you were refering to 1 Samuel 28:3-20. Let us now analyze the Key points of 1 Samuel 15:

“‘Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”" ( 1 Samuel 15:3 )

Did God tell Saul not to bring sacrifices for Him from those animals?

Well, Saul concluded, with his hipocrisy, that he can spare some of those animals for God…

“But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.” ( 1 Samuel 15:9 )

You see what he did?

“Samuel came to Saul, and Saul said to him, “Blessed are you of the LORD! I have carried out the command of the LORD.”” ( 1 Samuel 15:13 )

Did he really carry out the command of the LORD?

“But Samuel said, “What then is this bleating of the sheep in my ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?”
Saul said, “They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed.”” ( 1 Samuel 15:14-15 )

In this last quote, what I have put in bold is HUMAN PHILOSOPHY like those philosophies that lead people to pray to dead people.

"Then Samuel said to Saul, “Wait, and let me tell you what the LORD said to me last night.” And he said to him, “Speak!”
Samuel said, "Is it not true, though you were little in your own eyes, you were made the head of the tribes of Israel? And the LORD anointed you king over Israel,
and the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are exterminated.’
“Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD, but rushed upon the spoil and did what was evil in the sight of the LORD?”
Then Saul said to Samuel, “I did obey the voice of the LORD, and went on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and have brought back Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
“But the people took some of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the choicest of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God at Gilgal.”” ( 1 Samuel 15:16-21 )

I think Saul was saying in his mind: is it not good to bring sacrifices to God?

Do you see where is the sin of Saul? He added to the Word of God, so he disobeyed!

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Peace be with you!

"O You who hear prayer,

To You all men come." ( Psalm 65:2 )
“So I will bless You as long as I live;
I will lift up my hands in Your name.” ( Psalm 63:4 )

In the long run, the petition is presented to God, through Mary, so it does not violate these psalms.

Do you see how you are adding to the Word of God? Saul said something like this. Can’t I ask Mary as long as I THINK I am praying to God?

“Whom have I in heaven but You?
And besides You, I desire nothing on earth.” ( Psalm 73:25 )

‘When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”’ (Revelation 6:9-10)

When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. (Revelation 5:8)

Revelation 5:8 and 6:9-10 show the Saints are aware of what is going on here. As you stated, the Elders are symbolic of the communion of Saints (Thank you). Given Numbers 14:13-20, Revelation 5:8 is not a symbol, so there is no violation of Psalm 73:25.

Again: PHILOSOPHY! Saul was not creating the fact of presenting sacrifices to God. God said in the Law that they must present sacrifices. But, in 1 Samuel 15, we see that He commanded to destroy those sinners. Saul used the Law of God against God!

By the way: when the Psalm says “Whom have I in heaven but You?”, the author believed that there are angels in Heaven! But the Word is clear, that we have no one in Heaven to address prayers to.
Psalm45:9:

I’m keeping talley now: there is no violation of Deuteronomy 18:10-11,Psalm 65:2, Psalm 63:4, and Psalm 73:25. Thus making 1 Samuel 15 not applicable to the topic and Catholics perfectly obedient to God.

If you read 1 Samuel 15 again carefully, you will notice that Saul even began to argue with the prophet about the fact that he didn’t violate the Will of God!!!

“I have carried out the command of the LORD”

“They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed.”

"Then Saul said to Samuel, “I did obey the voice of the LORD, and went on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and have brought back Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.”

In Love,
Yaqubos†

 

[Luke1_48]

YAQUBOS:

Peace be with you!

Do you see how you are adding to the Word of God? Saul said something like this. Can’t I ask Mary as long as I THINK I am praying to God?

Again: PHILOSOPHY! Saul was not creating the fact of presenting sacrifices to God. God said in the Law that they must present sacrifices. But, in 1 Samuel 15, we see that He commanded to destroy those sinners. Saul used the Law of God against God!

By the way: when the Psalm says “Whom have I in heaven but You?”, the author believed that there are angels in Heaven! But the Word is clear, that we have no one in Heaven to address prayers to.

If you read 1 Samuel 15 again carefully, you will notice that Saul even began to argue with the prophet about the fact that he didn’t violate the Will of God!!!

“I have carried out the command of the LORD”

“They have brought them from the Amalekites, for the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed.”

"Then Saul said to Samuel, “I did obey the voice of the LORD, and went on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and have brought back Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.”

In Love,
Yaqubos†

I am sorry I can agree with you, because we have yet to conclude what is the Word of God. Peace.

 

[Luke1_48]

Can you please tell me what the Word of God is in my thread about the Bible?

 

[Psalm45_9]

Pax Vobiscvm!

YAQUBOS:
Do you see how you are adding to the Word of God? Saul said something like this. Can’t I ask Mary as long as I THINK I am praying to God?

Again: PHILOSOPHY! Saul was not creating the fact of presenting sacrifices to God. God said in the Law that they must present sacrifices. But, in 1 Samuel 15, we see that He commanded to destroy those sinners. Saul used the Law of God against God!

By the way: when the Psalm says “Whom have I in heaven but You?”, the author believed that there are angels in Heaven! But the Word is clear, that we have no one in Heaven to address prayers to.

“With Mary and the Saints. Miracles have occurred as a result of their intercession. Now if God is not hearing the prayers, then how can this happen, it is not the Devil for, “How can Satan cast out Satan? And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.” (Mark 3:23-26) If God were angry about our “disobedience” then our prayers would never be answered.

St. James commands us to pray for each other and so we do. St. James states that the prayer of a righteous man profits much. Mary is righteous, St. Gabriel the Archangel tells Mary, “blessed art thou amoung women.” Not adding to God’s word yet. Deuteronomy 18:10-11 states we are not to call upon the dead to predict the future. We do not ask the saints to predict the future, still not adding to God’s word. The Psalmist calls upon the angels in psalm 103 and 148. St. John describes Angels and The Saints covered in the blood of the Lamb are in Heaven. Still not adding to Gods word. Let’s see now: the Bible tells us to pray for one another, we ask Mary and the Saints to do this, “pray for us sinners.” Not adding to God’s word yet. We are not to ask the dead to give us information about the future. We do not do this, not adding to God’s word yet. St. John in the book of Revelation describes Heaven as full of Saints and Angels, who present our petitions to God, not adding to God’s word yet. I have to conclude we are not adding to God’s word. God gave Saul a direct order to destroy everything, including the live stock, he did not follow it. God gave us a direct order to pray for one another and not to ask the dead for information, we are following that. Thus we are not adding to God’s word. It does not say anywhere in the Bible you shall not ask the Saints in Heaven to pray for you, how are we violating something that is not explicitly condemned?

In love,

Psalm45:9