Interdenominational relationships RCC/JW

[Subrosa]

Jaded27:

Well, I’ll definitely ask tonight of course. Either way, I don’t want to “be Catholic” so I guess it’s just a matter of how they classify the marriage. Doesn’t make much difference to me as long as we get married and it’s okay for my fiancee. Thanks though.

The consequence may be that you cannot be married in a Catholic Church, or at least have it blessed as a sacrament. You need to ask the priest.

Subrosa

 

[Jaded27]

Subrosa:

The consequence may be that you cannot be married in a Catholic Church, or at least have it blessed as a sacrament. You need to ask the priest.

Subrosa

we already talked to him about it. All we need to do is fill out a “disparity of cult” form since I"m not “christian” and then we can be married in the church.

It’s like a Catholic marrying a Jew. they are not christian so they fill out the form and then can get married.

We’re getting married in the church. finalizing plans as soon as we find out if I need the annullment or not. I hope, I hope, I hope not.

 

[carol_marie]

Jaded27:

we already talked to him about it. All we need to do is fill out a “disparity of cult” form since I"m not “christian” and then we can be married in the church.

It’s like a Catholic marrying a Jew. they are not christian so they fill out the form and then can get married.

We’re getting married in the church. finalizing plans as soon as we find out if I need the annullment or not. I hope, I hope, I hope not.

And all of us from the CA forums are invited right???

 

[Jaded27]

carol marie:

And all of us from the CA forums are invited right???

Hahaha, yea, like I’d give out my address to you crazy catholics!

Kidding! Well, play your cards right and maybe. . .

 

[CARose]

Just get our invites to us soon enough that we can get discounted airfair, that’s all I ask!

I’m happy to hear that things are going so well.

Congrats, and keep us informed.

CARose

 

[Subrosa]

Jaded27:

we already talked to him about it. All we need to do is fill out a “disparity of cult” form since I"m not “christian” and then we can be married in the church.

It’s like a Catholic marrying a Jew. they are not christian so they fill out the form and then can get married.

Congratulations! I wish both of you blessing during your years together.

We’re getting married in the church. finalizing plans as soon as we find out if I need the annullment or not. I hope, I hope, I hope not.

You most likely do not need an annulment. (I think) The Jehovah’s Witnesses Baptism is not recognised as valid in the CC, so it won’t be an issue. The actual issue is the sacramentality of the marraige which requires valid baptisms, from the CC point of view.

I hope you guys know what you’re getting into, theologically speaking. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are probably the religion that have seperated the most from Catholicism, rejecting most, if not all of the CC’s Traditions. Also, the CC requires that children in a marraige such as your own are to be raised Catholic. These are issues you should discuss before marraige. They should be discussed between yourselves and then with a priest and your elders. If you can come to a true and real understanding of these issues, then God has truly blessed your marraige.

Again, I am very happy for you.
Subrosa

 

[Subrosa]

Jaded27:

We’re getting married in the church. finalizing plans as soon as we find out if I need the annullment or not. I hope, I hope, I hope not.

Hey, by the way, I live in Rhode Island. I’d love to come to your wedding! Let me know, OK?

Subrosa

 

[b_justb]

Jaded,

I am glad you got things kicked off and I am also glad you are receiving positive feedback from the forum. It is an interesting look into the nuts and bolts of a real case, rather than just the theory behind such cases. Thank you again for being willing to spill your guts to us here about the whole thing. I know I am interested to see how it progresses.

I do see some things that seem odd or inconsistent. Maybe you can clear it up. I think I saw that from the same priest you’ve been told you are a Christian and you are not a Christian depending on the situation. I thought I read that your baptism was considered a Christian baptism but your previous marriage is not considered a Christian marriage. Do I have this wrong?

Also, and forgive me if this is too trying, I thought I saw where you said you and your FI were living together. Is that right? If so, how did you address this to the priest?

 

[Jaded27]

Subrosa:

Congratulations! I wish both of you blessing during your years together.

You most likely do not need an annulment. (I think) The Jehovah’s Witnesses Baptism is not recognised as valid in the CC, so it won’t be an issue. The actual issue is the sacramentality of the marraige which requires valid baptisms, from the CC point of view.

I hope you guys know what you’re getting into, theologically speaking. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are probably the religion that have seperated the most from Catholicism, rejecting most, if not all of the CC’s Traditions. Also, the CC requires that children in a marraige such as your own are to be raised Catholic. These are issues you should discuss before marraige. They should be discussed between yourselves and then with a priest and your elders. If you can come to a true and real understanding of these issues, then God has truly blessed your marraige.

Again, I am very happy for you.
Subrosa

Thanks. We’ve discussed all of this. And RI huh? Pretty close. . . . lol

 

[Jaded27]

b_justb:

I do see some things that seem odd or inconsistent. Maybe you can clear it up. I think I saw that from the same priest you’ve been told you are a Christian and you are not a Christian depending on the situation. I thought I read that your baptism was considered a Christian baptism but your previous marriage is not considered a Christian marriage. Do I have this wrong?

Yes, you may have misinterpreted. Neither is considered christian, which is why we need a “disparity of cult” form. If my baptism were christian we would not need that.

b_justb:

Also, and forgive me if this is too trying, I thought I saw where you said you and your FI were living together. Is that right? If so, how did you address this to the priest?

He actually said they encourage this as long as you aren’t taking it to the next level. Living together is fine though so he has no problem with it.

 

[b_justb]

Jaded27:

He actually said they encourage this as long as you aren’t taking it to the next level. Living together is fine though so he has no problem with it.

You had a Catholic Priest tell you that the Church encourages people to live together before marriage?

 

[Jaded27]

b_justb:

You had a Catholic Priest tell you that the Church encourages people to live together before marriage?

Yea, they’re definitely okay with it. The younger ones anyway.

 

[carol_marie]

Jaded27:

Yea, they’re definitely okay with it. The younger ones anyway.

Wow… Jaded… I have to tell you that I am so suprised. I would think that common sense would make the Priest tell you that it isn’t a good idea to live together because I think you’d be tempted to “take it to the next level” when you live together - day in, day out. I know that I would’ve NEVER been able to “just say no.” lol.

Are the elders ok with this also?

 

[Jaded27]

carol marie:

Wow… Jaded… I have to tell you that I am so suprised. I would think that common sense would make the Priest tell you that it isn’t a good idea to live together because I think you’d be tempted to “take it to the next level” when you live together - day in, day out. I know that I would’ve NEVER been able to “just say no.” lol.

Are the elders ok with this also?

Yea, I guess their reasoning is that it’s a good thing to do (if you’re engaged, probably) to get used to living with one anohter. fewer divorces or something? I have no idea what the reasoning is. This is just waht I heard from my fiancee who was told it by the priest so it’s second hand info. But my FI is very religious so I don’t think he’d be comfortable with living together if the priest hadn’t actually said that to him.

As to the elders, you know they’re not okay with it. But what can you do? I still go to all my meetings and such. The whole catholic church wedding thing probably won’t go over well either but time will tell. . .

 

[catsrus]

This is just waht I heard from my fiancee who was told it by the priest so it’s second hand info.

This is one more thing I would check into myself, if I were you. No Catholic priest in communion with Rome would ever condone living together before marriage anymore than the elders of your congregation would condone it.
You may want to consult a priest, on your own, about this issue.

 

[Jaded27]

catsrus:

This is one more thing I would check into myself, if I were you. No Catholic priest in communion with Rome would ever condone living together before marriage anymore than the elders of your congregation would condone it.
You may want to consult a priest, on your own, about this issue.

Well, here’s the deal - we’re just splitting hairs at this point because whether it’s condoned or not we’re living together and we’re getting married. They’re not going to refuse to marry us just cuz of that. Especially since we’re only living together due to money circumstnaces and some others that were unavoidable so. . . I don’t see them turning us away based on that.

Looking into it further doens’t matter to me, but thanks for the suggestion.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Jaded27:

Yea, they’re definitely okay with it. The younger ones anyway.

That is definitley not the teaching of the Catholic Church. Perhaps you misunderstood your priest? If not, then he is a very liberal priest who is not following the Church’s teachings.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Just wondering, why do you want to get married in the Catholic Church at all? Why not get married in the KH? Is it for your fiance’s sake, so he can have a valid Catholic marriage? Because if that is so, he is bound to raise your children as Catholics. But you expressed a desire to raise them in your faith.

 

[Jaded27]

paramedicgirl:

Just wondering, why do you want to get married in the Catholic Church at all? Why not get married in the KH? Is it for your fiance’s sake, so he can have a valid Catholic marriage? Because if that is so, he is bound to raise your children as Catholics. But you expressed a desire to raise them in your faith.

You can’t get married in a KH unless you’re both JWs. And yes, it’s so my FI can have a valid marriage. The kids can get baptized as Catholics and all that but they’ll be going to meetings and church, not just one or the other.

 

[b_justb]

Jaded – I think I just have to ask this out right. Are you currently disfellowedshipped from the Jehovah’s Witness and are going to meetings hoping to and or working towards being reinstated?

This is what the situation seems like to me.