Ireland asks Israel to allow ship to Gaza

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TechieJustin said:
Brooklyn;6745119:
As opposed to Foxnews? Fair and Balanced? Every source is biased if its not to your liking.
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Fox news? He isn’t quoting Fox News. He’s quoting the State Dept source. The State Dept does not make the accusation that IDF uses children as human shields. The 2009 State Dept source mentions one ACCUSATION of some guy in the IDF using some Palestinian person (age not mentioned) as a “human shield” in 2008. It mentions another, similar allegation against one person in 2007.

And this is compared to how many accusations of “police brutality” against the U.S. law enforcement in one year?

I would come a lot closer to believing the State Dept than I would in believing Amnesty International.
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Ridgerunner said:
TechieJustin;6745126:
Fox news? He isn’t quoting Fox News. He’s quoting the State Dept source. The State Dept does not make the accusation that IDF uses children as human shields. The 2009 State Dept source mentions one ACCUSATION of some guy in the IDF using some Palestinian person (age not mentioned) as a “human shield” in 2008. It mentions another, similar allegation against one person in 2007.

And this is compared to how many accusations of “police brutality” against the U.S. law enforcement in one year?

I would come a lot closer to believing the State Dept than I would in believing Amnesty International.
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The State Department is part of the US government which is Pro-Israel.
Therefore it is biased.

having been the victim of attempted police intimidation - I’m going to side with AI.
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TechieJustin said:
The State Department is part of the US government which is Pro-Israel.
Therefore it is biased.
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Lemme get this straight: The US State Department, over several Presidential terms, is biased, and “Palestine Chronical” and “ElectronicIntifada” are aren’t.

Okay.
 
scipio337 said:
Lemme get this straight: The US State Department, over several Presidential terms, is biased, and “Palestine Chronical” and “ElectronicIntifada” are aren’t.

Okay.
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Correct on the state department. The rest I don’t know or care about. The US government has been pro-israel since the Truman administration. There is nothing Israel can do the US would do anything about.
Obama is finally standing up to the Israeli lobby and for that he gets ridiculed. Good for him - I hope he keeps doing it.
 
scipio337 said:
Lemme get this straight: The US State Department, over several Presidential terms, is biased, and “Palestine Chronical” and “ElectronicIntifada” are aren’t.

Okay.
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I guess one believes one’s own before one believes one’s enemies. 😉
 
Ridgerunner said:
I guess one believes one’s own before one believes one’s enemies. 😉
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That’s the foundation for propaganda. The Nazis did the same thing when they manipulated the population into hating the Jews. Now the Jews are doing the same thing. But that’s OK because they’re “chosen.”
 
TechieJustin said:
Correct on the state department. The rest I don’t know or care about. The US government has been pro-israel since the Truman administration. There is nothing Israel can do the US would do anything about.
Obama is finally standing up to the Israeli lobby and for that he gets ridiculed. Good for him - I hope he keeps doing it.
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Now we’re throwing the perfidious “Isreali lobby” into the mix?

Good grief!

AIPAC donated $600,000 during the 2008 election cycle. How much influence does that buy you?
 
scipio337 said:
Now we’re throwing the perfidious “Isreali lobby” into the mix?

Good grief!

AIPAC donated $600,000 during the 2008 election cycle. How much influence does that buy you?
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$600k in direct contributions. You realize there are other ways to donate money under the radar.
Whatever AIPAC wants, AIPAC gets.
 
Brooklyn said:
In 2008 one human shield complaint against the IDF was submitted; an investigation followed. There was no information concerning any disciplinary action taken. After a 2007 complaint about use of a human shield caught on television, there was no information on what punishment the IDF personnel received. .
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Speaks volumes.

As to your question re condemning Hamas for using human shields - without reservation and absolutely.

As to the links - thats not me, thats another poster, so cant help you there.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I guess one believes one’s own before one believes one’s enemies. 😉
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To paraphrase somewhat, to those that wont believe, even what they see with their own eyes, no amount of proof will ever be sufficient.
 
TechieJustin said:
$600k in direct contributions. You realize there are other ways to donate money under the radar.
Whatever AIPAC wants, AIPAC gets.
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Yeah, I overheard them talking about it in a late night meeting in a Basel cemetery.

The US has much greater influence over Israeli policy that vice versa.
 
Guyonthestreet said:
Speaks volumes.

As to your question re condemning Hamas for using human shields - without reservation and absolutely.

As to the links - thats not me, thats another poster, so cant help you there.
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Is there an infrastructure where somebody can even report the IDF using human shields? The IDF being a military organization can report things and have them move up the chain to the media.
There is no way for anyone else to report atrocities committed by the IDF.
 
Brooklyn said:
Nothing like using biased source (Palestine Chronicle?)
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Lol.

So that’s the UN, UNRWA, AI, ICRC, IRC, HRW to name a few that are all biased, along with associated media.

I guess only Israeli approved reports are not biased.
 
Guyonthestreet said:
Lol.

So that’s the UN, UNRWA, AI, ICRC, IRC, HRW to name a few that are all biased, along with associated media.

I guess only Israeli approved reports are not biased.
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[right wing drone mode]
Yes, all those organizations are antisemitic and staffed by Nazis.
[/right wing drone mode]
 
TechieJustin said:
[right wing drone mode]
Yes, all those organizations are antisemitic and staffed by Nazis.
[/right wing drone mode]
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You do realize there has been a considerable amount of internal criticism of AI and HRW?

Why the “right wing drone” chest-beating?
 
scipio337 said:
You do realize there has been a considerable amount of internal criticism of AI and HRW?

Why the “right wing drone” chest-beating?
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So? Because the right wing ruined this country. They are responsible for the economy, the war, 9/11, GM - everything.
 
scipio337 said:
Now who sounds like a drone?

But I digress!
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The right wing still sounds like a drone. But you better stay on topic - we’ll get in trouble.
Well, I will - your posts won’t get reported, mine will.
 
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