Ireland asks Israel to allow ship to Gaza

[TechieJustin]

WWII was stupid and useless? Now we know how way out there you really are. I guess we should have just let Hitler dominate the world, kill all of the Jews, put priests and nuns into concentration camps and kill them and anyone else he deemed “unfit to live”, allowed the Japanese to terrorize and torture the Chinese, etc. We certainly wouldn’t be on the internet right now discussing this because we would be living in a cruel worldwide dictatorship and would have no freedoms whatsoever, if we were even alive.

TechieJustin, I know this is taking the thread way off point, but I would love to know just what kind of world you would like to live in. It certainly isn’t the democracy and freedom of the United States nor that of Israel (and yes, like it or not, Israel is a free democracy, unlike all of its enemies).

Also, what is your solution to the problems between Israel and the Arab world?

A world where war is used as a last resort, and government is small.
A secular state would solve everything.

If the State Police came in, put you and your family at gunpoint and made them leave the house so they could give it back to the Native Americans - how would you feel? Would you hold up your Bible and forgive? I’d blow away a few cops.

 

[Brooklyn]

A world where war is used as a last resort, and government is small.

A secular state would solve everything.

 

[donsnow]

WHAT!!!

Tu rigoles ou quoi!!!

The United States Armed Forces!!!

It was a COALITION of more than 30 NATIONS !!!

It was mandated by the UN.

On the principles of International Law.

The bulk of the coalition’s armed forces were USofA military.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

The bulk of the coalition’s armed forces were USofA military.

That is a completely different statement to the one you made earlier when you claimed

donsnow:

The United States Armed forces saved Kuwait

Wrong.

America did not act alone.

A COALITION of FORCES liberated Kuwait.

Certainly, America contributed the largest number of troops to the coalition.

And certainly, Americans numbered the highest fatalities - not withstanding a quater of them were blue on blue!

But don’t detract from the sacrifices and effort made by the other nations, operating legally under a UN mandate, to liberate Kuwait.

 

[Brickmaker]

But don’t detract from the sacrifices and effort made by the other nations, operating legally under a UN mandate, to liberate Kuwait.

Indeed. And some of the other nations on the list may surprise…

Allied forces in the 1991 Gulf Theater

The United Nations resolutions and mandate

And according to Wiki - not the most reliable but the figures are supported by reference to other sources:

190 Coalition troops were killed by Iraqi combatants, the rest of the 379 coalition deaths being from friendly fire or accidents. This number was much lower than expected. Among the American dead were three female soldiers.

This is a list of Coalition troops killed by country.

United States - 294 (114 by enemy fire, 145 in accidents, 35 to friendly fire)
United Kingdom - 47 (38 by enemy fire, 9 to friendly fire)
Saudi Arabia - 18
Egypt - 11
United Arab Emirates - 6
Syria - 2
France - 2
Kuwait - 1 (as part of Operation Desert Storm)

I think some Italian pilots were lost, too, but I could easily be mistaken on that.

 

[iamrefreshed]

But don’t detract from the sacrifices and effort made by the other nations, operating legally under a UN mandate, to liberate Kuwait.

Now if you could just do the same about Iraq.

 

[Kadaveri]

From someone who supported the American invaders against those fighting to liberate Iraq.

 

[Muzhik]

As the Original Poster, I’d just like to say that this thread is getting REALLY off-topic. Please stick to the topic, or find another thread that more closely matches what you want to say.

 

[scipio337]

From someone who supported the American invaders against those fighting to liberate Iraq.

What on earth do you mean?

 

[iamrefreshed]

Allied civilian deaths accounted for 58% of all WWII deaths, est @ over 40 million

Axis civilian deaths accounted for 4% of all WWII deaths est @ 3 million

Too bad the scientists couldn’t have finished a year or two quicker.

 

[Guyonthestreet]

Now if you could just do the same about Iraq.

Whatever it is you’re trying to say, I’m sure you could try and say it without the use of your sarcastic rolling of eyes.

As the Original Poster, I’d just like to say that this thread is getting REALLY off-topic. Please stick to the topic, or find another thread that more closely matches what you want to say.

I thought I overheard on the BBC news that Israel had agreed to allow all of the aid from the flotilla through to Gaza, but I havent been able to find anything on their website to that effect.

 

[scipio337]

Whatever it is you’re trying to say, I’m sure you could try and say it without the use of your sarcastic rolling of eyes.

I thought I overheard on the BBC news that Israel had agreed to allow all of the aid from the flotilla through to Gaza, but I havent been able to find anything on their website to that effect.

The men in powder blue helmets are helping out.

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=10916605

I found this interesting:

Up to now, the Hamas rulers of Gaza have refused to accept the aid as a protest against Israel’s three-year blockade of the territory.

If this was humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, why would Hamas do this? It also appears Israel will be lifting, or at least easing the blockade.

That’s a pretty bold move for an “apartheid state”. Now, if someone can just convince Hamas to change its Covenant…

 

[Muzhik]

It also appears Israel will be lifting, or at least easing the blockade.

That’s a pretty bold move for an “apartheid state”. Now, if someone can just convince Hamas to change its Covenant…

It will NOT be lifting the sea blockade. Israel WILL be allowing a greater variety of goods through the land border. (Although still nothing that can be used as or turned into a weapon of war or missile.)

 

[Brooklyn]

It will NOT be lifting the sea blockade. Israel WILL be allowing a greater variety of goods through the land border. (Although still nothing that can be used as or turned into a weapon of war or missile.)

You are absolutely correct.

“Officials said Israel is expected to greatly ease what gets into Gaza through land crossings. However, the naval blockade that was at the root of the May 31 raid will remain intact because Israel wants to ensure weapons can’t be shipped into Gaza. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the policy has not been approved.”

google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gXp6fvvgQLELYgmlMBK-EaQ8A1WQD9GCGAAO0

 

[Guyonthestreet]

The men in powder blue helmets are helping out.

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=10916605

I found this interesting:

If this was humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, why would Hamas do this? It also appears Israel will be lifting, or at least easing the blockade…

I think it’s to do with the principle that all of the aid should be released to Gaza, not just what the Israelis say can go through. So it was all or nothing.

It’s good to see Israel responding to the overwhealming criticism of it’s actions; perhaps the peace protesters may not not have died in vain if the huge groundswell against Israels apartheid policies, violations of international humanitarian law etc in the end manage to bring some relief to the innocent suffering people of Gaza.

 

[scipio337]

I think it’s to do with the principle that all of the aid should be released to Gaza, not just what the Israelis say can go through. So it was all or nothing.

I see, so the principles of Hamas’ continued jihad is more important than “the innocent suffering people of Gaza”.

Guyonthestreet:

It’s good to see Israel responding to the overwhealming criticism of it’s actions; perhaps the peace protesters may not not have died in vain if the huge groundswell against Israels apartheid policies, violations of international humanitarian law etc in the end manage to bring some relief to the innocent suffering people of Gaza.

Now, if you can just get Hamas to budge on their genocidal intents…

Oh, I’m sorry, that’s never going to happen. Continue to criticize Israel…

 

[Guyonthestreet]

I see, so the principles of Hamas’ continued jihad is more important than “the innocent suffering people of Gaza”.

You said that, I didn’t.

Now, if you can just get Hamas to budge on their genocidal intents…

I do my best, but they pay me no mind. Perhaps when they feel the international community starts biting, and stops barking…

Oh, I’m sorry, that’s never going to happen.

Stranger things have - the IRA and many protestant paramilitaries decomissioned their weapons after almost 40 years. The two cases are not equitable, but it does show what diplomacy can achieve,

Continue to criticize Israel…

Absolutely.

And without fear or hesitation.

 

[donsnow]

That is a completely different statement to the one you made earlier when you claimed

Wrong.

America did not act alone.

A COALITION of FORCES liberated Kuwait.

Certainly, America contributed the largest number of troops to the coalition.

And certainly, Americans numbered the highest fatalities - not withstanding a quater of them were blue on blue!

But don’t detract from the sacrifices and effort made by the other nations, operating legally under a UN mandate, to liberate Kuwait.

Technically, you’re right.

Pragmatically, without the USofA military, the other 29 nations in the Coalition could not have saved Kuwait. Pragmatically, I’m right.

I bet I did a better job of admitting where you’re right, than you’ll do of admitting where I’m right.

 

[donsnow]

Ah, we’re talking about the blockade again, finally.

What gets me, is how all ya’ll who criticize only Israel without equally condemnatory statements for Hamas, enable the hatred of Hamas. The international community also enables the hatred of Hamas, by not continually protesting the rockets fired into Israel.

However, you probably won’t agree with me, on this.

 

[scipio337]

You said that, I didn’t.

Actually, I would say that Hamas implied it.

Guyonthestreet:

I do my best, but they pay me no mind. Perhaps when they feel the international community starts biting, and stops barking…

Are you suggesting that there is some kind of double standard in the international community, where Israel is heavily scrutinized for human rights violations, and Hamas gets a free pass?

Guyonthestreet:

Stranger things have - the IRA and many protestant paramilitaries decomissioned their weapons after almost 40 years. The two cases are not equitable, but it does show what diplomacy can achieve,

I pray you are right.

Guyonthestreet:

Absolutely.

And without fear or hesitation.

As many will. But occasionally starting a thread criticising the other parties in the conflict might lend you more credibility.