But it’s arbitrary, as the possibility of “special dispensation shows.” The Church could just as easily declare that the order of the sacraments is different, or that the sacraments of ordination lie on a plane orthogonal to the sacrament of marriage. The Church has chosen to regards the sacraments in this particular order, not because the order is written into the structure of the universe, but just because.
I’m speaking for most cases, and this thread pertains to most cases, as in new vocations, not Protestant-transfers or something else (ie dual Rite priests). We already know men already married who minister in some capacity in another denomination may become Catholic priests. That’s not what we’re arguing about. We’re arguing about whether men who are already Catholic, decide to become priests, should be allowed to married, and that’s what I was talking about.This is not always true.
As I said, we have a married priest in my diocese, who was ordained this year and then there is this guy!!
So while the norm is that Latin rite priests are not married, it is not unheard of for the discipline to be dispensed.
I’ve been to daily mass where the deacon was the celebrant. All that time I thought he was a priest, but he had to sign something for my son once and I saw he was a deacon. (he always dressed as a priest.)I think if more married men became deacons, it would solve some of the problem
Well, then, according to that, it must be that Protestantism has it right and the Church, both the Catholic and Orthodox sides, has it wrong.
It’s not a question of “right.” It’s a question of the Catholic Church having made a decision.Well, then, according to that, it must be that Protestantism has it right and the Church, both the Catholic and Orthodox sides, has it wrong.
Among my friends is Orthodox priest and his wife. She is considered a “matushka” – a mother to the congregation (as her husband is a father),What role if any do the wives of Orthodox priests have in the church? In Protestant churches, the wife of the minister is very active in the church. Only asking because this talk of priests wives always seem to center on her being at home, popping out kids, and fighting with the bishop about where her husband should go. I can see a lot of things that having a wife to help out with around the church would be a good thing. Not only talking to woman about their problems and being a source of prayer for the priest and the whole church, but maybe they can help decorate some of the not so pretty “Protestantized” churches.
Note if led by a deacon this was a Liturgy of the Word with Communion and not a Mass as there could be no consecration. If you are talking about the vestments that he wears, look closely, the deacon is wearing a vestment called a dalmatic, this vestment has sleeves unlike the chasuble that a priest would wear which is a sleeveless, “poncho” shaped vestment.
It was 8:30 am daily mass that we attended. We went every day and he was the celebrant atleast once a week.
Are you sure it was a Roman Catholic church? It is not possible for a deacon to celebrate the Eucharist. Even the Good Friday liturgy of the presanctified is normally presided over by a priest, although my father did this once in a rural church with no priest available.
Exactly so. I don’t have time to read the whole thread sadly… But this shows the trend here in Ireland now and the divided city that the Church has become…
Good points. Few teenagers are ready to make a commitment to much.
I definitely don’t support him, because he puts it into the mass media as if was going to be changed by popular opinion, Rome will decide.
Married men abuse children, so how did being married not stop them ? and it’s probably the biggest source of abuse, ( abuse within the family )
Are you arguing that unnatural things are immoral?
This is a cultural phenomenon. In past decades and centuries, teenage and young adult men were not so inundated with sexually suggestive imagery and messages from the media as they are today. The world generally had more respect for the sacred. Things have changed quite a bit!
I mean, quite simply, there are a thousand priests here, who are available to pastor parishes, if the ordinary requests it and understands that the parish will then only offer the Traditional Latin Rite.
I’m not sure caving into social pressure is the answer. I’ve known many who have been married (civilly) several times. One try after another ends in divorce. I think it’s possible that many people like this are not called to marriage, but are not formed in their faith well enough to hear a call to anything else. Many people with no religious convictions at all choose to get married, but very few people with no religious convictions suddenly sense a call to the priesthood. It seems the answer is to do the best we can to strengthen the Faith- not cave in because having celibacy continue to be the norm for priests in the Latin Rite of the Church.
‘Unnatural things are immoral’ couldn’t have been farther from my mind when I posted. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘am I arguing unnatural things are immoral?’ but as you’ve asked, there are lots of things that could be considered unnatural but are not immoral. There are things that can be considered both unnatural and immoral, and you could argue some natural things could be considered immoral depending on the circumstances.