Is a proper understanding of the Trinity needed for salvation?

[benidict]

Some say yes. Some say no. Is a correct understanding of the Trinity essential for salvation or not? Do those who have a different teaching of the Trinity worship a different Jesus? Im sure most of yall know what I already believe on this. All views welcome. Lets dig in! Peace

 

[Le_Cracquere]

Some say yes. Some say no. Is a correct understanding of the Trinity essential for salvation or not? Do those who have a different teaching of the Trinity worship a different Jesus? Im sure most of yall know what I already believe on this. All views welcome. Lets dig in! Peace

Sometimes I don’t know if my brain is capacious enough to understand the Trinity correctly! At such times, it’s smarter not to force the concept into one’s own mental box.

The Trinity is a genuine Mystery, and is exceedingly easy to get wrong–and it gets easier the more firmly one tries to nail it down. I can’t say where the line between honest confusion and damnable error lies, but generally recommend a healthy dose of intellectual modesty on the issue, and willingness to take the word of centuries of orthodox authority and opinion (notably, the major Protestants didn’t try to reinvent this wheel).

It seems as if formulating a novel private Trinitarian theory, or incautiously contesting orthodox Christian thought on the issue, is a pretty fundamental case of theological immodesty, flirting with crankdom. Tinkering with such enigmas brings up justifiable questions of pride and obedience.

 

[GaryTaylor]

The “first” ecumenical council “Council of Nicaea” estabablished the Nicene Creed. Which is the relationship of Jesus Christ to God the Father. The Trinity is further defined through Bible.

The list of Christian Churchs who follow the Trinity as a main belief in salvation is long, it would be easier to address those who don’t. They in fact practice heresy.

Isaiah 48:16-17 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

John 1:1 “the Word was God" “And the Word was made flesh"

Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased the church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Colossians 1:15-17
The Apostle Paul tells us that Jesus “…is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”

John 8:58 "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. "

John 10:30 “I and my Father are one.”

John 14:9 “he that hath seen me hath seen the Father”

 

[Dokimas]

Some say yes. Some say no. Is a correct understanding of the Trinity essential for salvation or not? Do those who have a different teaching of the Trinity worship a different Jesus? Im sure most of yall know what I already believe on this. All views welcome. Lets dig in! Peace

Seeing that salvation is of the Lord and He knows who are His, don’t you think who is and who is not saved is left to His decision?

That being said, I think it does make a difference. Whether or not it’s a 100% correct issue or not, I don’t know.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Well actually theres another issue here which relates Trinity to Baptism in Bible. Which is another concept Christians hold fast to.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

2:39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call."

John 1:29-31 “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water”

 

[dzheremi]

The Nicene Creed is all the exposition that is strictly needed, yet not necessarily a guarantor of orthodoxy. As I understand it, the Assyrian Church of the East uses it in a version that is virtually identical to the Greek, but they remain heretics in their adherence to Nestorianism.

So I’m not really sure how to answer the OP. Is it a matter of correct belief, and also a matter of correct exposition. Do communities who have a different understanding of the Holy Trinity (for instance, through assertion of the “filioque”) worship a different Christ? I don’t know. I would say that it is the belief in the Holy Trinity that is orthodox, but not necessarily every community’s understanding of it.

 

[CMatt25]

Some say yes. Some say no. Is a correct understanding of the Trinity essential for salvation or not? Do those who have a different teaching of the Trinity worship a different Jesus? Im sure most of yall know what I already believe on this. All views welcome. Lets dig in! Peace

I believe no. It is not necessary to have a complete 100% proper understanding. There is only one Jesus so I do not believe they worship a different Jesus. As Le Cracquere alluded to our human brains are somewhat finite. And as Dokimas said, in the end, salvation is left to the Lord.

 

[confusedius]

" Is a proper understanding of the Trinity needed for salvation? "

In my opinion, no.

James

 

[Waiting]

Some say yes. Some say no. Is a correct understanding of the Trinity essential for salvation or not? Do those who have a different teaching of the Trinity worship a different Jesus? Im sure most of yall know what I already believe on this. All views welcome. Lets dig in! Peace

I would guess that there are many, many in heaven who hadn’t even heard of the Trinity until they arrived there. Yet they made it to heaven. The Trinity is such a mystery, that even the most dedicated student will have to admit to being unable to “correctly” explain it in depth.

 

[Hesychios]

"Is a proper understanding of the Trinity needed for salvation?"

Understanding the Holy Trinity is impossible.

Only the Trinity understands the Trinity.

 

[GaryTaylor]

" Is a proper understanding of the Trinity needed for salvation? "

In my opinion, no.

James

This is simply a play on words. Do you believe the Bible verse above is correct and is needed for salvation? And that Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one of the same?

If not, why not? And what Bible verse supports your claim?

 

[confusedius]

I beg your pardon. How is “no” a play on words? You asked a question that essentially required a yes or no answer. I answered. In another thread, I was instructed that I had drifted from the OP. Which way is correct on these threads??

James

 

[GaryTaylor]

"Is a proper understanding of the Trinity needed for salvation?"

Understanding the Holy Trinity is impossible.

Only the Trinity understands the Trinity.

Caught on the word “trinity”. Not really of issue here *. Nor is Orthodox/Catholic division in theory or even those who drop off slightly lower at the Ecumenical Councils yet believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The issue is the “Christian” belief that for one, Christ is God, and the truth of the Father and HS all being one. Is a Christian truth for salvation.

This is where my interest lies. The idea of saying “I am Christian” has now become such a loose interpretation that we are actually entertaining “heresy”.

Or rather all who seem to drop off in some type of heretical thinking which doesn’t agee. I personally want to see supported by Bible.*

 

[GaryTaylor]

I beg your pardon. How is “no” a play on words? You asked a question that essentially required a yes or no answer. I answered. In another thread, I was instructed that I had drifted from the OP. Which way is correct on these threads??

James

Well excuse me then, let me refrain and define for you…Do you believe the Bible verse above is correct and is needed for salvation? And that Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one of the same?

If not, why not? And what Bible verse supports your claim:shrug:

 

[svid]

A guy dies and goes up to the Pearly Gates. Sitting nearby is St. Peter and a sign that says, “Final test: Which is the correct spelling, CATSUP or KETCHUP?”
I don’t believe God looks for reasons to damn anyone. If you fail to use your gifts, you may do time in Purgatory, but most people don’t study theology.

 

[GaryTaylor]

A guy dies and goes up to the Pearly Gates. Sitting nearby is St. Peter and a sign that says, “Final test: Which is the correct spelling, CATSUP or KETCHUP?”
I don’t believe God looks for reasons to damn anyone. If you fail to use your gifts, you may do time in Purgatory, but most people don’t study theology.

You condemn yourself through Free-Will. The same free-will which either brings you to Christs Church or not.

Let Jesus respond to this…

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

Do you have Bible verse to support your theory? Its all well and fine to believe there are very good people out here, who are not very good Christians, and there are. Do we actually know there fate? Or is it a pius assumption?

“The Church, faithful guardian of the way of salvation, knows that salvation can be achieved only in Christ, by the Holy Spirit. Yet, as mother and teacher, she cannot fail to reflect on the destiny of all human beings, created in the image of God, and especially of the weakest. Being endowed with reason, conscience and freedom, adults are responsible for their own destiny in so far as they accept or reject God’s grace.”

{BTW the Pope is speaking of Baptism which would relate to Father Son and HS}
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Pope Pius XII

 

[confusedius]

Well excuse me then, let me refrain and define for you…Do you believe the Bible verse above is correct and is needed for salvation? And that Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one of the same?

If not, why not? And what Bible verse supports your claim:shrug:

Thank you. I do not understand to what bible verse you refer. However, I do not believe that God and Jesus Christ are the same. Please remember, the Trinity was the major topic at the NC and but for the vote of a small group of people some 300 years after the death of Jesus Christ, you would agree with me this day.

James

 

[Flame4]

The Trinity is a mystery which none of us can fully understand. God is beyone our human minds and therefore it is hard to understand how someone can be three persons yet one God. The thing is we need to accept this teach even if we cannot understand it. That’s all. Of course you can pray to have a better understanding.

Hope this helps. God Bless.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Thank you. I do not understand to what bible verse you refer. However, I do not believe that God and Jesus Christ are the same. Please remember, the Trinity was the major topic at the NC and but for the vote of a small group of people some 300 years after the death of Jesus Christ, you would agree with me this day.

James

Post #3 are the verse’s I am referring to. The early council NIcaea" consisted of “ALL” the Bishops of the early Church. Google it and you shall see.

And as far as 300 years that would be incorrect. Its Bible as in Post #3. Then its confirmed by Irenaeus of Lyons 2-AD. in his book “Against Heresy”

What comfirms “your” belief? Bible? Authors? what?

 

[CMatt25]

Well excuse me then, let me refrain and define for you…Do you believe the Bible verse above is correct and is needed for salvation? And that Jesus Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one of the same?

If not, why not? And what Bible verse supports your claim:shrug:

Here’s a problem when you get into specific verses. One person might take literally a 6 - 24 hr day Creation with the morning and the evening being a day. But not take “This is my Body” at the Last Supper literally. Another perhaps visa versa. I’m not sure anyone takes women should be silent in churches literally anymore. There might be a faith that does however.