Is abortion ever, ever okay?

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KildareBrigid said:
I don’t think “medical abortion” is the right term.
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You are correct.
The Church does permit morally neutral medical procedures designed to save a pregnant woman’s life that may have an unintended side-effect of causing a child to die in the womb, such as the removal of a cancerous uterus. This is not considered abortion.
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Egg-zactly.
 
Sparkythedog said:
Well, not anymore anyways…
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+22%3A23%2CDeuteronomy+22%3A24&version=NIV
I guess if you didn’t scream you must have wanted it?
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BY JIMMY AKIN 10/29/2012 Comments (43)

"Despite the fact that this is sometimes portrayed as a “death to the rape victim” passage, that is not what it is. Note that it specifies that the woman is put to death “because she did not cry for help though she was in the city.”

The fact that nobody heard her cry for help in a populated area is taken as evidence that she consented to the sex act, under the longstanding (!) legal principle qui tacit consentire, or “silence means consent.”

You can argue that a more refined application of this principle is desirable, and–indeed–the Old Testament Law foresaw a role for human judgment in sorting out the facts of the case (as applied by a trial at the city gates), but this law is not prescribing the death penalty for rape victims.

It’s trying to provide an objective way of telling rape from adultery: If other parties heard the woman cry out then she’s a rape victim and is not to be put to death.
The law is not trying to have rape victims killed. Quite the opposite. It’s saying, “Do not automatically assume that every sexual act is adultery. Some are not consensual, and the woman is not to be punished in those cases.”

Read more: ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/does-god-approve-of-rape-dark-passages/#ixzz4CUsuCxuF
 
AmericanRose said:
A relative of mine says that abortion is acceptable if a woman is raped or the child will have crippling deformities. An abortion clinic in my state is allowing abortions up to (I’m not quite sure) 24 weeks. Opinions?
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Direct abortion is NEVER okay, no matter what the circumstances are.
 
RPRPsych said:
NO!

Moreover, your relative’s claims that a child conceived through a rape “will have crippling deformities” is nonsense. 😦
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I don’t think it was meant that crippling deformities are a result of rape, they meant it as a separate reason for aborting a child.
 
truetofaith said:
You better make another post, Sparky…you have 666 posts! :eek:
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I don’t think he’s superstitious. 😉 As Raymond Smullyan said, “Superstition brings bad luck.”

Besides, most of us would have had 666 posts at some time in our posting history. 🙂
 
PRmerger said:
BY JIMMY AKIN 10/29/2012 Comments (43)

"Despite the fact that this is sometimes portrayed as a “death to the rape victim” passage, that is not what it is. Note that it specifies that the woman is put to death “because she did not cry for help though she was in the city.”

The fact that nobody heard her cry for help in a populated area is taken as evidence that she consented to the sex act, under the longstanding (!) legal principle qui tacit consentire, or “silence means consent.”

You can argue that a more refined application of this principle is desirable, and–indeed–the Old Testament Law foresaw a role for human judgment in sorting out the facts of the case (as applied by a trial at the city gates), but this law is not prescribing the death penalty for rape victims.

It’s trying to provide an objective way of telling rape from adultery: If other parties heard the woman cry out then she’s a rape victim and is not to be put to death.
The law is not trying to have rape victims killed. Quite the opposite. It’s saying, “Do not automatically assume that every sexual act is adultery. Some are not consensual, and the woman is not to be punished in those cases.”

Read more: ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/does-god-approve-of-rape-dark-passages/#ixzz4CUsuCxuF
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It was early in the human history, so I guess the writers hadn’t yet considered the “scream and I’ll kill you scenario”.
 
LittleFlower378 said:
No abortion is not ok in any corcumstance just like all sexual sin such as contraception, adultary, sodomy, etc etc.
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Sorry Abortion is not a sexual sin but more of a sin of anger, against precious human life, that goes more against the 5th commandment than the 6th and 9th.
 
AmericanRose said:
My relative is very adament on their stance. How can I make them see otherwise?
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In the case of rape: ask them “why is it OK to kill the baby but not the rapist?”

In regards to “crippling deformities”: as them "if you get in a really bad car accident and you receive “crippling deformities” is it ok if we kill you so we don’t have to take care of?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I don’t know. But if you find out tell us. I’m currious as to why this is a topic of conversation with the relative?

Heck most Catholics are not pro life.
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I would like to say that most PRACTICING Catholics are Pro Life.

Non practicing Catholics (or Catholics who only go to Church for political reasons – aka “Catholic” Democrats in Congress) don’t count.
 
RPRPsych said:
I don’t think he’s superstitious. 😉 As Raymond Smullyan said, “Superstition brings bad luck.”

Besides, most of us would have had 666 posts at some time in our posting history. 🙂
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Not superstition, just a little humor…although when I reached that number, I quickly added a post.😃
 
I’ll also contribute by saying that no it isn’t okay ever. Can’t possibly say that enough 😛
 
RPRPsych said:
But are there still any of them around? 🙂
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Probably some people with a little Nephillim blood in them: the Canaanites were around a long time, being mentioned in the bible long after being supposedly exterminated (I think Israeli actions against the Canaanites was embellished after the fact).
 
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