Is abortion ever, ever okay?

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Why don’t you think it’s possible?

If human/God hybrids are possible…perhaps human/Satan hybrids are possible, too. After all, the Catholic church believes Satan can posses a person.

So…if it was possible, what do you think the answer to the question is?

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Okay, let’s assume for a moment that this is possible.

If it were, it would be because God permitted it (as He permitted the fall of Satan) for a greater good.

Even if said hybrid was “The Antichrist” himself, Revelation is clear that the Antichrist is defeated by Christ, not by aborting him before he was born.

The noes have it. 🙂
 
I don’t think “medical abortion” is the right term. The Church does permit morally neutral medical procedures designed to save a pregnant woman’s life that may have an unintended side-effect of causing a child to die in the womb, such as the removal of a cancerous uterus. This is not considered abortion.
Isn’t that what I said?

BTW choosing such a procedure is not morally neutral, it is morally good.

“Abortion” is defined differently by different professional groups - law, medicine and church.
Hence my adjectives to avoid confusion.
 
Isn’t that what I said?

BTW choosing such a procedure is not morally neutral, it is morally good.

“Abortion” is defined differently by different professional groups - law, medicine and church.
Hence my adjectives to avoid confusion.
I found the term “morally neutral” (and the thought itself) on the Diocese of Phoenix’s website. dphx.org/respect-life/know-the-issues/abortion/

In regards to you using the term abortion, it really isn’t important. 🤷
 
I found the term “morally neutral” (and the thought itself) on the Diocese of Phoenix’s website. dphx.org/respect-life/know-the-issues/abortion/

In regards to you using the term abortion, it really isn’t important. 🤷
KB I wouldn’t go to a Diocesan web site for reliably worded instruction in moral theology.
If you were to search some of the moral theology discussions on abortion/contraception on CAF you will find that many members misunderstand the Church’s teaching because they confuse secular definitions with that of the Church.
 
KB I wouldn’t go to a Diocesan web site for reliably worded instruction in moral theology.
If you were to search some of the moral theology discussions on abortion/contraception on CAF you will find that many members misunderstand the Church’s teaching because they confuse secular definitions with that of the Church.
:confused: I don’t mean this to come off rude, but I can’t imagine why it would be a bad idea to go to a Diocesan website for reliable instruction in moral theology.
 
KB I wouldn’t go to a Diocesan web site for reliably worded instruction in moral theology.
If you were to search some of the moral theology discussions on abortion/contraception on CAF you will find that many members misunderstand the Church’s teaching because they confuse secular definitions with that of the Church.
I’ve not seen this confusion you speak of. Is there an example?
 
I would like to say that most PRACTICING Catholics are Pro Life.

Non practicing Catholics (or Catholics who only go to Church for political reasons – aka “Catholic” Democrats in Congress) don’t count.
Catholic is Catholic.
 
BY JIMMY AKIN 10/29/2012 Comments (43)

"Despite the fact that this is sometimes portrayed as a “death to the rape victim” passage, that is not what it is. Note that it specifies that the woman is put to death “because she did not cry for help though she was in the city.”

The fact that nobody heard her cry for help in a populated area is taken as evidence that she consented to the sex act, under the longstanding (!) legal principle qui tacit consentire, or “silence means consent.”

You can argue that a more refined application of this principle is desirable, and–indeed–the Old Testament Law foresaw a role for human judgment in sorting out the facts of the case (as applied by a trial at the city gates), but this law is not prescribing the death penalty for rape victims.

It’s trying to provide an objective way of telling rape from adultery: If other parties heard the woman cry out then she’s a rape victim and is not to be put to death.
The law is not trying to have rape victims killed. Quite the opposite. It’s saying, “Do not automatically assume that every sexual act is adultery. Some are not consensual, and the woman is not to be punished in those cases.”

Read more: ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/does-god-approve-of-rape-dark-passages/#ixzz4CUsuCxuF
But doesn’t she have to marry her rapist? I understand bringing the child to term, the child is innocent but marrying the rapist? Why? As if rape was not punishment enough.
 
But doesn’t she have to marry her rapist? I understand bringing the child to term, the child is innocent but marrying the rapist? Why? As if rape was not punishment enough.
Let’s turn it around. Would you rape someone if you knew you’d be required to marry her?

I’m not sure why she wouldn’t be declared a widow, and give the rapist the death penalty, though. Or maybe that was the idea.
 
Gotcha.

Which baffles me, tho.

Because if the Church says it’s okay for people to kill other innocent people in battle/war, or in self-defense, or as a result of the death penalty (am I correct saying the church does not condemn these things?)–and these are just people, just humans, who are being killed…you’d think the church would be okay for people to kill Satan.

Satan seems much worse than the people above.

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I doubt satan ( small,s, intentional ) will reveal himself as a little baby…so he could be aborted. :rolleyes:
 
Gotcha.

Which baffles me, tho.

Because if the Church says it’s okay for people to kill other innocent people in battle/war, or in self-defense, or as a result of the death penalty (am I correct saying the church does not condemn these things?)–and these are just people, just humans, who are being killed…you’d think the church would be okay for people to kill Satan.

Satan seems much worse than the people above.

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God’s laws apply to the real world; not to hypothetical situations that aren’t likely to happen.

Also, people who are attacking us, either in war or in a criminal action aren’t really “innocent”.
 
:confused: I don’t mean this to come off rude, but I can’t imagine why it would be a bad idea to go to a Diocesan website for reliable instruction in moral theology.
If the “moral” theologian concerned was removed from his Phoenix Parish pending child abuse allegations that would do many of us I think.
For myself I would go for Magisterial documents, statements from a bishops conference, a highly respected moral theologian who is peer reviewed.
A loosely worded summary of a more nuanced technical document put up by an overworked lay webmaster cannot be expected to carry quite the same weight as the original.
 
If the “moral” theologian concerned was removed from his Phoenix Parish pending child abuse allegations that would do many of us I think
This is a great example of being duped by the Genetic Fallacy.

One should not be fooled into thinking that a perceived defect in the origin of the claim is proof that the claim should be discredited.

It’s like a conversation with your 5 year old:

5 yr old: Daddy, the earth is the 3rd planet from the sun!
BH: where did you hear that?
5 yr old: from grandpa when I visited him in jail!
BH: that is not true, son. The earth is NOT the 3rd planet from the son because your grandpa is in jail and therefore we don’t want to believe what he says.

Rather, one should evaluate the claim on it own merit, no?
 
This is a great example of being duped by the Genetic Fallacy.

One should not be fooled into thinking that a perceived defect in the origin of the claim is proof that the claim should be discredited.

It’s like a conversation with your 5 year old:

5 yr old: Daddy, the earth is the 3rd planet from the sun!
BH: where did you hear that?
5 yr old: from grandpa when I visited him in jail!
BH: that is not true, son. The earth is NOT the 3rd planet from the son because your grandpa is in jail and therefore we don’t want to believe what he says.

Rather, one should evaluate the claim on it own merit, no?
If you reread it’s not a case of either or but both and.
 
If you reread it’s not a case of either or but both and.
Really?

It’s a genetic fallacy and not a genetic fallacy?

Can you please 'splain how this can be the case?

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