Is abstinance our only option?

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LittleDeb said:
Nocturnal emmissions have nothing to do with masturbation. The dreams associated with them are often not impure.

I know that you don’t agree with my (and the Church’s) interpretation of the story of Onan. But from this comment I am not sure that you understand The Church’s interpretation?

Sperm ends up in all sorts of places, on the ground, in the drain, etc. That is not the sin. It is the deliberate means by which it got there that can be sinful. It is impossible to sin while sleeping.

Wow! I think I need to leave this thread soon. This is the farthest off-topic I have ever gone!
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You are exactly ON topic.
The thread is about a man who can’t have sex with his wife because if she gets pregnant she could DIE.
So the church stance is either abstinence or nfp.
If the guy uses contraception IT IS A SIN.
It is absolutely ludicrous to control that man’s life like that.
So my point is: where does it say contraception is a sin?
That is the reason for the debate.
It is an issue of the church deeming something sinful which has no biblical support.
 
newbie1234 said:
If you choose some specific ones that are especially meaningful to you, that might convince me.
But to point me to a link with 25 references and no of them support your point in my estimation, I am not convinced.
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Hey, Newbie, why are you hiding over here???

dbacks5439, adrift and myself are still waiting for answers on that last thread yesterday (Split: From Fatima…Images and the Salvation of Catholics) where you made some wild hair assertions which were not BIBLICALLY BASED.

Did it get too hot to answer? Don’t worry, I won’t let my “age”(which seems to concern you a lot; whatever you think I am as “older”) get to your scriptural immaturity.

We are here to help, newbie, even those who have absolutely no idea what it is they are saying about Catholics and Catholic beliefs, such as yourself.
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JonathanKinsman said:
Hey, Newbie, why are you hiding over here???

dbacks5439, adrift and myself are still waiting for answers on that last thread yesterday (Split: From Fatima…Images and the Salvation of Catholics) where you made some wild hair assertions which were not BIBLICALLY BASED.

Did it get too hot to answer? Don’t worry, I won’t let my “age”(which seems to concern you a lot; whatever you think I am as “older”) get to your scriptural immaturity.

We are here to help, newbie, even those who have absolutely no idea what it is they are saying about Catholics and Catholic beliefs, such as yourself.
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I don’t need to be persecuted by you.
I left that thread because it became fruitless and tiring to repeat the same thing over and over. See post 638.
You my friend need to grow up.
I will not answer your posts unless they are dignified.
You do not intimidate me with your feeble attempts at attacking me. Read your bible brother. That is how you will grow.
 
Karin said:
you are joking right?!:eek:
you asked me where it shows in the Bible that contraception is wrong…I should you…and now you wanna argue about it:rolleyes:
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Karin;

Welcome to the Newbie approach to discussion.

Look at his/her threads and you will see a tendency to make statements which offend Catholics, claim a naivete “sorry, I was looking in the bible on my lap,” and go on to another pet windmill.

Newbie avoids honest back-and-forth discussion and exchange and is easily frustrated when he/she does not control the direction of the thread.

Look at Newbie’s interactions with me and adrift and dbacks5439 on the “Split: From Fatima…” thread.

He/She assumes that if A is not in the Bible, then it is not something Catholics should follow. Of course, Newbie avoids the fact that D and E and W and X (Sola Scriptura for example, and his/her crazy assertion that “all prophetic books have a dual fulfillment in the scripture” “once now and once more in the future.” statement) are not biblically grounded either.

But hey! He/she/it is not here to learn or ask honestly about Catholic beliefs, Newbie is here to proselytize and slander our Faith.
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newbie1234 said:
I don’t need to be persecuted by you.
I left that thread because it became fruitless and tiring to repeat the same thing over and over. See post 638.
You my friend need to grow up.
I will not answer your posts unless they are dignified.
You do not intimidate me with your feeble attempts at attacking me. Read your bible brother. That is how you will grow.
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Who are you kidding, o charitable one? You do not answer any one’s post. You try to control the thread with your assertions.

Of course you won’t answer our questions. You can’t find the scriptural authority for your assertions.

I don’t know you, so I can’t address your knowledge of the bible. I assume you know what you assert but then you do not back it up as you promise you will.

And you had the nerve to insinuate that I was a teenager and therefore immature??

That’s ad hominem, newbie, stick to the discussion.
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newbie1234 said:
I don’t need to be persecuted by you.
I left that thread because it became fruitless and tiring to repeat the same thing over and over. See post 638.
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Post 638 does not address any thing, Newbie!!

What are you talking about???

If you have no advice or experience AS A CATHOLIC on this thread to help the OP, then stay quiet or at least be respectful.

You are badgering good people, Catholics on a Moral Theology thread, not on a Non-Catholic Religion thread.

Open you eyes, Newbie, look to where you are and quit being so impertinent.
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DiggidyDog said:
I’ll try to make it short. My wife of 13 years has had numerous health issues over that time (chemo, radiation, several surgeries, etc). She is diagnosed with a muscle related disease that is in remission through the use of a drug regime. We do have 2 children, 1 through adoption.

My question relates to our marital relations. The drugs my wife is on can cause birth defects and we have been told that a pregnancy could endanger my wife.

Is abstinence our only option? I think we are both too afraid of using NFP.
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Abstinance, NFP… or of course the third option of leaving the Roman Catholic Church.
 
noma said:
Abstinance, NFP… or of course the third option of leaving the Roman Catholic Church.
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A nice sarcastic reply, noma. Like it. How about this one.

A request: can you adjust your signature flourish a little clearer. It is unreadable, unless of course this is a commentary on what it subscribes to.
 
JonathanKinsman said:
A nice sarcastic reply, noma. Like it. How about this one.

A request: can you adjust your signature flourish a little clearer. It is unreadable, unless of course this is a commentary on what it subscribes to.
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I intended no sarcasm. All three options are indeed prima fascia reasonable. I know; I have considered each of them.

But as to your second statement, I simply do not understand what you are getting at. Do you have trouble reading my signature?
 
Karin said:
You dont have to follow God’s Law?
WOW…how did you get that exemption?
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I think newbie was implying “the law of Moses”. In which case, unless you strictly keep from eating ham and cheese sandwitches, bacon, and a variety of other food items, you would probably agree with him.
 
noma said:
I think newbie was implying “the law of Moses”. In which case, unless you strictly keep from eating ham and cheese sandwitches, bacon, and a variety of other food items, you would probably agree with him.
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Oh no…dont take away my PIG PRODUCT…well pigs feet you can keep 😉 😃
 
newbie1234 said:
What was God’s law again?
I know what the Mosaic law is?
I did say a few posts back that I was under God’s law but then I thought"What is God’s law"
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well what does your Bible tell you God’s Law is:D ??
or what does your Pastor tell you God’s law is??
I have a feeling our ideas on what is or is not God’s law may differ…😦
 
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