Is anyone changing the way they receive communion because of the swine flu?

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Because we do believe what the Church teaches and do not** add** superstition to the teaching of the Church. The Catholic Church teaches that the doctrine of transubstantiation. The elements change in substance, but not in appearance. The host can still gain mold or the chalice transmit disease. The accidents do not change.

Because some are willing to believe this type of superstition, the Church is forced to withdraw the chalice in such times. Relying on individual self-restraint does not seem to work.
I would not describe an act of faith like this as “superstition”. It smacks of calling all of Christian faith “superstition”, though I know that is not what you meant. It is an area where people can legitimately disagree.

One important point that I would like to mention is something that I was taught in RCIA. There have been no recorded cases of disease transmission via the receiving from the Cup.

I am not planning on changing my habits of how I receive Holy Communion. I do not generally receive via the Cup nor do I hold hands during the Our Father and my parish does not generally do the Sign of Peace anyway. I receive on the tongue at an altar rail and plan on continuing to do so.
 
I would not describe an act of faith like this as “superstition”. It smacks of calling all of Christian faith “superstition”, though I know that is not what you meant. It is an area where people can legitimately disagree.
It is an individual faith in something not taught by the Catholic Church, the Bible or any Faith, involving a supernatural occurance. If someone received some sort of private revelation, then I would agree that superstition would not be a good term. If they just make it up based on how things seem to them, I am concerned, especially when this particular belief could cost lives.
 
I would not describe an act of faith like this as “superstition”. It smacks of calling all of Christian faith “superstition”, though I know that is not what you meant. It is an area where people can legitimately disagree.

One important point that I would like to mention is something that I was taught in RCIA. There have been no recorded cases of disease transmission via the receiving from the Cup.

I am not planning on changing my habits of how I receive Holy Communion. I do not generally receive via the Cup nor do I hold hands during the Our Father and my parish does not generally do the Sign of Peace anyway. I receive on the tongue at an altar rail and plan on continuing to do so.
If a person is gluten-intolerant, then they will still become sick from the accidents that remain after consecration. Therefore, it is not true that nobody ever gets sick from the accidents of the Blessed Sacrament. That is nonsense.

The Church does not teach that consecration confers any innoculation whatsoever against disease germs present in the species beforehand, nor against anything introduced later. That nobody would allow the sacrilege necessary to try to prove by science what the bishops already know and teach by correct theology does not change that.

The truth is, the prevalence of those who believe they can’t make anyone else sick by sharing a common cup at Mass or by having a priest accidently touch their infected tongue while putting a host in their mouths only encourages violation of reasonable rules of hygiene and makes it more likely that the bishops will find that restrictions must be imposed.

If the bishops could trust sick Catholics to STAY HOME, or at least to refrain from modes of reception that could transfer diseases when they are symptomatic, maybe the bishops wouldn’t have to be so quick to put safeguards in place when a possible epidemic looms on the horizon.

Therefore, teaching other Catholics that they can’t make others sick via the species of Holy Communion is not an act of faith. It is a disservice to all of us.

Believe that you **CAN **make the rest of us sick by coming to Mass and especially by sharing Holy Communion with us or touching us when you are sick!! DON’T DO IT!!

(PS THe CDC has not noted a connection between denomination and the lack of any clear association between sharing a common cup at religous services and an increased risk of falling to communicable disease. If it were valid consecration that keeps a common cup from being risky, then denominations without valid consecration should show a higher incidence of disease. To me, that alone is evidence that nothing more than a charitable willingness to abide by the rules of hygiene is responsible for the lack of health consequences that might otherwise be posed by a sharing a common cup.)
 
I can see the concern over communion on the tongue.

The bishops are trying to protect their dwindling number of priests. It used to be that having one or two priests out was not a major problem, but in the days of clustered parishes, no-resident priest parishes and one-priest parishes, two sick priests can tax a diocese’s resources.

We don’t think about it, but our priests are over-stressed and over-worked. Some are holding down a job as a pastor of a parish and then a position at the diocesan office. Their physical and emotional faculties are over-taxed. This leaves them physically susceptible to all kinds of illness.

I receive Communion on the tongue. I have never liked Communion in the hand. But if it keeps my priest healthy, I am willing to sacrifice for the greater good of the church.
 
As far as I know, the bishops can temporarily suspend the public celebration of Mass altogether, if they do so to avoid a grave risk to human life. So yes, they can undoubtedly also make temporary decisions about what mode of reception of Holy Communion may be allowed, including those modes to which the faithful have a right under normal circumstances, when the reasons are sufficiently grave.
 
Do the Bishops have the right and permission to mandate that Holy Communion to be received only in the hand because of the Swine Flu?

calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=4646a566-ae6a-456c-8f28-0d47cb14d3ac

With past flu outbreaks did the church ever “empty” the Holy water fonts and stopped distrubution of Holy Communion on the tongue?
Here is what it says at the bottom of the article.
The USCCB has posted a series of 10 questions and answers related to participation at Mass during the time of the swine influenza. To read the USCCB’s Q&A, Click Here.
 
Actually, do priests need to distribute communion to the laity at all?
 
If a person is gluten-intolerant, then they will still become sick from the accidents that remain after consecration. Therefore, it is not true that nobody ever gets sick from the accidents of the Blessed Sacrament. That is nonsense.

The Church does not teach that consecration confers any innoculation whatsoever against disease germs present in the species beforehand, nor against anything introduced later. That nobody would allow the sacrilege necessary to try to prove by science what the bishops already know and teach by correct theology does not change that.

The truth is, the prevalence of those who believe they can’t make anyone else sick by sharing a common cup at Mass or by having a priest accidently touch their infected tongue while putting a host in their mouths only encourages violation of reasonable rules of hygiene and makes it more likely that the bishops will find that restrictions must be imposed.

If the bishops could trust sick Catholics to STAY HOME, or at least to refrain from modes of reception that could transfer diseases when they are symptomatic, maybe the bishops wouldn’t have to be so quick to put safeguards in place when a possible epidemic looms on the horizon.

Therefore, teaching other Catholics that they can’t make others sick via the species of Holy Communion is not an act of faith. It is a disservice to all of us.

Believe that you CAN make the rest of us sick by coming to Mass and especially by sharing Holy Communion with us or touching us when you are sick!! DON’T DO IT!!

(PS THe CDC has not noted a connection between denomination and the lack of any clear association between sharing a common cup at religous services and an increased risk of falling to communicable disease. If it were valid consecration that keeps a common cup from being risky, then denominations without valid consecration should show a higher incidence of disease. To me, that alone is evidence that nothing more than a charitable willingness to abide by the rules of hygiene is responsible for the lack of health consequences that might otherwise be posed by a sharing a common cup.)
I NEVER said people do not get sick at communion, what I said was that in RCIA, I was told that there have been no recorded cases of disease tranmission. Please respond to what I say not to some random thought you wished I had said so that you could belittle me.

I will always tell people that if they are sick, they should refrain from receiving from the Cup. I do this myself. Again, you are claiming I have said something that I never said.

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Actually, do priests need to distribute communion to the laity at all?
Yes. They do. Please see this note from Redemptionis Sacramentum:
[157.] If there is usually present a sufficient number of sacred ministers for the distribution of Holy Communion, extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion may not be appointed. Indeed, in such circumstances, those who may have already been appointed to this ministry should not exercise it. The practice of those Priests is reprobated who, even though present at the celebration, abstain from distributing Communion and hand this function over to laypersons.258
Thus, it falls to the priest and deacon to distribute Holy Communion during the Mass. If there is a sufficient need, then and only then would an EMHC be used.
 
rpp;. said:
I saw nothing crude or cruel about the post - just commonsense; robustly expressed, it’s true, but not crude or cruel.

It’s generally not a good idea to respond heatedly to a post without reading it all through first.
 
Exactly!! Haven’t even given it a thought in the past, and have received both the Precious Body and Blood.

Now, if they don’t offer, obviously I wouldn’t be able to do that, just read recently that the Cathedral in Downtown Mexico can’t have Mass, the government has people standing there warning people, it said that groups of people with mask on were still going in to pray. I think I read it on a cnn website.

Not having Mass is really sad and to me much worse than the thought of possibility getting the swine flu.
That’s really silly in my opinion. We’re not dealing with the Bubonic Plague or the Ebola Virus here. Swine flu is no more severe than a regular flu.

I’ve had the flu before, my 80 year old grandmother has also had it and was fine after a couple of weeks.

We went to the doctor, took medication, stayed at home and got some rest. We survived. Yes it was miserable, but we were fine though.

The likilihood that you’ll get Swine Flu from recieving Communion (the Body of our Lord on the tongue or the Precious Blood from the chalice) is far less than the likilihood of getting it from your everyday normal activities, especially if you work around larger amounts of people and children. All this panic and paranoia are really silly. The goofy masks are even funnier, as they don’t really do much to prevent you from getting sick anyways. Just wash your hands and stay at home if you feel ill. End of rant.
 
Please don’t make personal comments in you posts, everyone. It’s fine to correct misstatements/misunderstandings, but please no personal comments. Thank you all.
 
Yes. They do. Please see this note from Redemptionis Sacramentum:

Thus, it falls to the priest and deacon to distribute Holy Communion during the Mass. If there is a sufficient need, then and only then would an EMHC be used.
BG,

I think the question was more like " If this is a problem, does Communion need to be distributed at all, by anyone. Could the priest just consume the Eucharist and not offer it at all"

The answer there would be Yes, it does need to be offered. Under Canon Law the faithful have a right to the Sacraments unless impeded by Law.
 
wow, i never knew this. hopefully the swine flu will not affect me. i pray that all is safe over here in new olreans. just seen that they had many cases over here
 
BG,

I think the question was more like " If this is a problem, does Communion need to be distributed at all, by anyone. Could the priest just consume the Eucharist and not offer it at all"

The answer there would be Yes, it does need to be offered. Under Canon Law the faithful have a right to the Sacraments unless impeded by Law.
Brendan:

Thank you for understanding my question correctly. I realized shortly after I posted it that I had not phrased it well.

Thank you also for the answer. I was trying to search the net for an answer and wasn’t successful.
 
My apologies if I sounded as if I was attacking someone personally in my previous post. I didn’t mean to direct my comment twoards a specific person. I was just stating my opinion on Churches canceling Mass because of the swine flu. I hope I didn’t offend someone. Thanks all.
~Josh
 
Canon Law, RS, are not designed to address issues arising from health emergencies. Refraining from offering Mass is not a denial of the Holy Sacrament. It is a scheduling of the Holy Sacrament, which must be received a minimum of once a year. In such a short time span of a few weeks, the Bishop can act as deemed prudent. Our bishop has issued a request that all receive in the hand for now, although he states he will not make it mandatory. I find this to be a great way of putting it. This addresses the safety issue and acknowledges the right of reception on the tongue in one memo. Not bad for our newbie Cardinal.
 
My apologies if I sounded as if I was attacking someone personally in my previous post. I didn’t mean to direct my comment twoards a specific person. I was just stating my opinion on Churches canceling Mass because of the swine flu. I hope I didn’t offend someone. Thanks all.
~Josh
I think we need to remember that even if we survive influenza, there are many immunocompromised people in the U.S. who would not survive. E.g., everyone who is HIV+ (and there are more than you would imagine).

My nephew has cancer, and obviously he should not be exposed to influenza if at all possible.

We are careful not necessarily to protect ourselves, but others.
 
Do the Bishops have the right and permission to mandate that Holy Communion to be received only in the hand because of the Swine Flu?

calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=4646a566-ae6a-456c-8f28-0d47cb14d3ac

With past flu outbreaks did the church ever “empty” the Holy water fonts and stopped distrubution of Holy Communion on the tongue?
No. A bishop can dispense from the law (release people from what the law requires) and the bishop can regulate the Liturgy within his own diocese, but he cannot force anyone to receive in the hand.

The interresting thing about this whole topic of conversation is that Communion in the hand is much more likely to spread the flu than Communion on the tongue.
 
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