Is Atheism Positive?

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The Supreme Court ruled that it is creationism masquerading as science, and as such should not be taught in science classrooms.
I think it best to not to appeal to SCOTUS. Dred Scott comes to mind as one reason. Nor do I think they should be the arbiter with regards to what is and what is not science. Lets not overstate their authority and wisdom. You can make your case without them and are probably better off to do so.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
I think it best to not to appeal to SCOTUS. Dred Scott comes to mind as one reason. Nor do I think they should be the arbiter with regards to what is and what is not science. Lets not overstate their authority and wisdom. You can make your case without them and are probably better off to do so.
The purpose was more so to cite a historical event than to appeal to authority. Charlemagne said he wasn’t very familiar with the matter, so I gave everyone a free history lesson.
 
I don’t see any negative aspects to being an Atheist.
What are they?

There are many possible “positives”. Just a few off the top of my head:

–An Atheist faces the reality of certain situations in a way a Theist, who might ascribe or blame or credit events and situations to a God, does not.

–They concentrate on making the world in front of them a better place and embrace every moment of life today instead of focusing on an supposed afterlife.

–People would not fight and kill others because of different religious beliefs.

–We could love others more freely–for example: A person wouldn’t be discouraged to marry someone just because they are of another religion.

–As a society, we would try to make our laws based on reason, evidence, and understanding instead of based on some lines of scripture–which may or may not be interpreted properly–from thousands of years ago.

–Instead of praying for something to happen, people may be more apt to take action to make something happen.

…and more.

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“People would not fight and kill others for religious beliefs”
That is a fascinating thought.

Stalin was an atheist … that didn’t stop him from killing millions.
Hitler’s beliefs were not particularly religious, although he may have bordered on paganism. He didn’t let his lack of religion stop him from killing millions.
Lenin - is not remembered for his desire for peace.
Mao Zedong, an atheist, wasn’t any sweet-heart either.
The Cambodian and Vietnam wars were not religious.
Genghis Khan conquered and won a huge empire. He wasn’t particularly interested in religion.
The Romans, prayed to their Gods for victory, but the wars were conquests for power and riches.
I would contend that religion may be used as a tool for conquering armies but it is not the purpose for war.
Keep in mind the sweet peace of North Korea - an atheist country.

Have there been war fought because of religion? Perhaps, but they have been minor compared the wars fought by our 20th century atheists.

But if you consider atheism and communism as religions your theory could hold some truth.
 
Modern atheists reject “life-force” as a very primitive notion. Their faith in the power of time is touching but it doesn’t correspond to reality. Why have scientists been unable to reproduce the sequences of events you describe? It seems “uber-scientific” to claim mindless molecules are capable of becoming rational beings when given the opportunity to do so no matter how long it takes. For all intents and purposes atheism is the epitome of negativity. It is soul-destroying in all senses of the term and deifies matter as the Supreme Reality at the expense of the mind that conceives that hypothesis. There can hardly be a greater example of self-contradiction but of course for materialists the “mind” and “self” are illusions discarded for the benefit of their hypothesis. For them it is irrelevant that in practice no one lives as if they are impersonal collections of purposeless atomic entities blundering their way past all obstacles, totally unaware of what they are doing and imagining they are free to choose what to believe, how to live and who to love. In their scheme of things persons, freedom, truth and love are no more than fortuitous “isomorphisms” of mindless particles. Long live the reign of the irrational Goddess and all her equally irrational disciples! May Chance alone dictate the sequence of events to its final absurd conclusion: a return to the meaningless, valueless chaos from which it has miraculously emerged for no reason or purpose whatsoever!
Tony, you’re making sweeping generalizations. Many animists are atheists, including primitive peoples who often believe in life force/spirit but not in deities.

Indeed the Catholic Encyclopedia article enthusiastically spends 3,200 words on a (now defunct) theory that religion in the “higher civilized races” evolved from the atheist animist beliefs of the “lowest savages”, saying that “the savage mind should be likened to a child”.

Well, the article was written a century ago, and we can now see that the theory gained ground for a while due to a lack of research causing far too much generalization coupled with a widespread belief that Westerners were superior.

A century later you lump together all manner of misunderstood beliefs and ascribe them to your generalized “modern atheist” who you describe as being no more logical than a silly child.

Just saying. Calm down bro.
 
Well, the article was written a century ago, and we can now see that the theory gained ground for a while due to a lack of research causing far too much generalization coupled with a widespread belief that Westerners were superior…
Hey bro … 😉

Do you think any civilization is superior to any other civilization?

Or are you a civilization relativist?

Is Christianity superior to animism? Inferior? About the same?
 
At least you’re honest! 👍 I’m sorry to say that if you don’t believe in truth there’s no point in discussing anything - but the way we live is the best test of what we believe. If you believe in love, for example, the rest can take care of itself.
It’s not that I don’t believe in truth. I’m just not a New Atheist anymore, I don’t know how to answer your question, and I wouldn’t say truth is the most important thing anymore.
So be of good cheer for the NewYear! 🙂
Yeah, you too. 🙂
 
Hey bro … 😉

Do you think any civilization is superior to any other civilization?

Or are you a civilization relativist?

Is Christianity superior to animism? Inferior? About the same?
That theory, as the Catholic Encyclopedia article says, was that the “common element, in all religions is animism”, and that concepts of deities evolved from concepts of spirits. It saw Christianity as animist, along with all other religions.

I don’t know what a civilization relativist is, unless it’s the opposite of a white supremacist or Nazi.

Is Christianity superior to a Native American religion? Superior to Judaism? Islam? How is that determined, is God on the side of whoever has more bombs? Sorry, can’t see that such questions are even remotely valid.

Happy New Year bro.
 
I don’t know what a civilization relativist is, unless it’s the opposite of a white supremacist or Nazi.

Is Christianity superior to a Native American religion? Superior to Judaism? Islam? How is that determined, is God on the side of whoever has more bombs? Sorry, can’t see that such questions are even remotely valid.
I didn’t know it was Christ who promoted all those bombs.

Is that what Baptists believe?

I thought it was Albert Einstein who promoted the bigger and better bombs. 🤷

Anyway, drive safely tonight if you are out and about.

God bless you and all the gang at Catholic Answers.

Charles
 
It’s not that I don’t believe in truth. I’m just not a New Atheist anymore, I don’t know how to answer your question, and I wouldn’t say truth is the most important thing anymore.
I can’t separate telling the truth from being in love, so I say they are both the most important thing always. 👍
 
I can’t separate telling the truth from being in love, so I say they are both the most important thing always. 👍
Indeed. The truth makes us free and we have to be free to be capable of love. We also have to love the truth if we are to be free! So they are all interdependent and converge in the Supreme Reality… Otherwise existence is valueless, purposeless and meaningless.
We are faced with a choice between everything and nothing - and it is impossible to live as if nothing matters. :yukonjoe:
 
Modern atheists reject “life-force” as a very primitive notion. Their faith in the power of time is touching but it doesn’t correspond to reality. Why have scientists been unable to reproduce the sequences of events you describe? It seems “uber-scientific” to claim mindless molecules are capable of becoming rational beings when given the opportunity to do so no matter how long it takes. For all intents and purposes atheism is the epitome of negativity. It is soul-destroying in all senses of the term and deifies matter as the Supreme Reality at the expense of the mind that conceives that hypothesis. There can hardly be a greater example of self-contradiction but of course for materialists the “mind” and “self” are illusions discarded for the benefit of their hypothesis. For them it is irrelevant that in practice no one lives as if they are impersonal collections of purposeless atomic entities blundering their way past all obstacles, totally unaware of what they are doing and imagining they are free to choose what to believe, how to live and who to love. In their scheme of things persons, freedom, truth and love are no more than fortuitous “isomorphisms” of mindless particles. Long live the reign of the irrational Goddess and all her equally irrational disciples! May Chance alone dictate the sequence of events to its final absurd conclusion: a return to the meaningless, valueless chaos from which it has miraculously emerged for no reason or purpose whatsoever!
Tony, you’re making sweeping generalizations. Many animists are atheists, including primitive peoples who often believe in life force/spirit but not in deities.
John, I don’t believe there is a hard and fast distinction between spirits and deities given that the latter are often attributed with very limited power and there must have been a gradual evolution of ideas unless there was a sudden revelation.
Indeed the Catholic Encyclopedia article enthusiastically spends 3,200 words on a (now defunct) theory that religion in the “higher civilized races” evolved from the atheist animist beliefs of the “lowest savages”, saying that “the savage mind should be likened to a child”.
Well, the article was written a century ago, and we can now see that the theory gained ground for a while due to a lack of research causing far too much generalization coupled with a widespread belief that Westerners were superior.
A century later you lump together all manner of misunderstood beliefs and ascribe them to your generalized “modern atheist” who you describe as being no more logical than a silly child.
All forms of atheism reject the existence of God or gods if the term is to make sense. Modern atheists may believe thought or purpose can be conjured up from purposeless processes but they are getting something for nothing. If you think it is a logical explanation the onus is on you to justify it.

As a fellow Christian we have a lot in common. I hope and pray you have a successful, peaceful and enjoyable New Year.
 
Most Christians don’t believe Creation was a direct, once-for-all affair but a process of development in which there are bound to be anomalies. The Catechism puts it neatly:
Not all our flaws and limitations have a useful function. It is inevitable that some do us more harm than good but how could it be otherwise in an immensely complex universe with natural laws that cannot possibly cater infallibly for every individual’s needs?
 
I agree - with the proviso that we also have supernatural power. As Pascal pointed out, we know the universe exists but the universe doesn’t know anything about anything, let alone us! We also have the power of self-control - when we choose to use it - can resist temptation (usually), we are capable of hindsight, insight and foresight, we can distinguish between good and evil, understand and accept the principles of liberty, equality and fraternity - and choose to die for people we have never met if , for example, we believe they will be the victims of a terrorist attack. We tend to underestimate the goodness in most people because we have never met them and evil is so much more striking, spectacular and newsworthy…

On that happy note I wish you and all our forum members throughout the world, active and passive, a very happy and peaceful New Year…
None of that is supernatural, Tony.

But a very happy and peaceful new year to you and yours. And to everyone else as well.
 
None of that is supernatural, Tony.

But a very happy and peaceful new year to you and yours. And to everyone else as well.
Thank you, Brad. To start the New Year let’s explore how animals can become capable of making resolutions to be more patient and resist temptations to be sarcastic (one of my weaknesses 🙂
 
Thank you, Brad. To start the New Year let’s explore how animals can become capable of making resolutions to be more patient and resist temptations to be sarcastic (one of my weaknesses 🙂
Sarcasm is not always a sin, and never is when you use it! 👍
 
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