feetxxl:
everything about the prohibition of homosexuality requires interpretation, how can you validate that interpretation without testing the spirit. 2 thess says test everything. john 4 says the true worshippers will worship in spirit and in truth. romans 122Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
therefore what is the spirit of homosexuality that it would come against the fruit of the spirit and the spirit of christ
goofyjim:
If one is to read Church documents on this issue there have been many homosexuals who are verbally abused by those who mutter subtle inudendos under their breath. This is just wrong.
blessedtoo said:
No one has said anything about chaste homosexuals going to hell. You need to grasp a better understanding of the nature of human disorder. You continue to think and assert that the orientation is natural. As the poster above pointed out, lots of things are “natural” in this fallen state we humans find ourselves in. The “disordered” orientation of homosexuality is not a sin in itself. It is, however, opposed to order in the same way as my propensity to envy, greed, sloth, etc. As fallen human beings, we are all subject to our fallen natures. We sin ONLY when we act upon them.
Certainly there have been sins by mortals, many of whom may have been church members, against gays in the past. We should not tolerate it now.
Seems to me that there is no reason that someone who is homosexual cannot be welcomed into our church. There is no reason that someone who is homosexual cannot be a good member of our church. In fact, there is no reason that they cannot become members of our clergy (Priests, Nuns, Deacons, etc).
What they must do, however, is to remain chaste/celebate because in our Church, the sacrament of Marriage is primarily for the purpose of creating children.
Therefore, there can be no allowance for homosexual ‘relations’ any more than there are allowances for premarital heterosexual relations. We do not condone premarital sex. We also do not condone homosexual marriage because it cannot create a child. Therefore for a homosexual to be a good practicing Catholic, they must be chaste.
As for all the statistics, I don’t know or care if they make up 3% or 10% of the population. I suspect it is closer to 3%. I don’t see the need to teach a “pro-gay” agenda in the schools, I don’t see the need to have a gay pride parade where people dress up in ballet outfits or wear dog leashes and diapers and parade down the streets of Chicago, San Franscisco, etc. Basically I don’t want to see public sexual displays (by gay or straight people). But what I do care is if people are following The Lord, and if they are trying to be good Catholics. I’ll sit down to dinner with anyone of any age, ethnicity, race, sexual leaning, etc and have them as my friend if they have a good heart. How can someone who is openly anti-gay have a good heart within the definitions of the Catholic Church?
