Is Bill Donohue bad for the Catholic Church?

[WatchingMedia]

Just a note on the “NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER” - not to be confused with the Register.

The National Catholic Reporter has refused to allow even the most benign information about the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” on their web site.

They know that it would show most of their positions to be wrong, and they do not want people to know the true teachings of the Church.

They sponsored the recent May conference that featured Nancy Polosi, and gave a standing ovation to the CHA Nun Carol Keehan. They let other members of the Press think it was a Catholic meeting so they could report on it without using the name National Catholic Reporter. They never reported on how many reporters showed up.

They are truly a disgrace and not interested in Truth at all.

 

[jenkiedad]

Do you guys (or gals) actually read the New York Times regularly? If so, I can’t believe that you have such a prejudice against it. So often people misinterpret its columns, which are diverse. They think that because a column takes this or that position on an issue, that is the stance of the Times. They have columnists of many different persuasions.

I have read the NYTimes faithfully for more than 40 years. My only gripe is that the price keeps rising.

It is a superb paper! Don’t be influenced by the narrow, prejudiced views of people who repeat what they hear from sources that are intensely biased. Yes, I differ from the Times editorials now and then, but they may not always be right - and I’m certainly wrong sometimes. This is known as freedom of the press, which I - as a patriot - strongly support.

There is no paper that comes close to the coverage supplied by the Times, though I also like USA Today along with a couple area papers. I read five a day - and more, if you count papers I catch on line.

Roy: I’m really glad you think you’re keeping informed. It would appear you’ve been sipping the Kool-Aid for so long that you didn’t notice the leftist bias that the New York Times was getting into. Check out this web site, totally dedicated to identifying the bias of the NYT: mrc.org/timeswatch/
Their criticisms do not appear to be “narrow, predjuticed views of people who repeat what they hear”
I couldn’t find a web site dedicated to uncovering the “conservative bias” of the NYT.

 

[pnewton]

The second sentence is wrong.

What part of “for me” do you not understand? I spoke the truth. You would know that if your understanding of English were sufficient. I can be said to be foolish, prejudice or illogical, but not wrong. For me, there are some groups so whacked and so predictable that those who their attacks are a sign someone is doing something right. Again, note the “for me” part.

 

[CDelphine]

The media doesn’t like him because he uses their style.

God bless Bill Donohue!!

I think you’re off-base here. The media LOVE Bill Donohue: 1) He’s a flamboyant ‘source’ for the ‘Catholic Church’s’ perspective. 2) His soundbytes & press releases make it easy on the media – HE sends press releases to THEM, and they get to pound far less pavement in getting the real, or at least official, story. And 3) He fits right into the MSMedia’s paradigm of the Church as Intrusive, Obtrusive, and bullyish.

It’s consumers of the media who end up not liking him, and, I fear, not liking the Catholic Church by extension.

 

[Aquinas62]

I think you’re off-base here. The media LOVE Bill DonohueHe fits right into the MSMedia’s paradigm of the Church as Intrusive, Obtrusive, and bullyish.

It’s consumers of the media who end up not liking him, and, I fear, not liking the Catholic Church by extension.

So the Media is mistaking the Church for the Democratic party?

 

[CDelphine]

So the Media is mistaking the Church for the Democratic party?

I’m sorry, I don’t understand your post. Mine doesn’t have anything to do with partisan politics.
But to clarify my post a little, I think the MSMedia has grown rather lazy in its effort to be balanced, and Bill Donohue is an easy source for ‘the Catholic side’. That’s why they love him. I think some reporters/editors may even believe he has an official position within the Church’s administrative or pastoral structure. This, to me is dangerous. Not only because the media is getting it wrong, but also because Mr. Donohue is not always charitable, clear or persuasive.

 

[Aquinas62]

With all due respect, We as Catholics have been getting our collective clocks cleaned by playing “nice” to everybody and all but apologizing for being Catholic. This aint our daddys media anymore.

Mr Donohue has his role to play, and IMHO he does it well. Yes he can rub people the wrong way, to which I answer, so what? we have many other apologists that respond in more “charitable” and diplomatic ways, and if people really want to learn about the church and what it teaches, there are many good sources on the web such as CAF

 

[manygift1spirit]

I think the MSMedia has grown rather lazy in its effort to be balanced, and Bill Donohue is an easy source for ‘the Catholic side’. That’s why they love him. I think some reporters/editors may even believe he has an official position within the Church’s administrative or pastoral structure. This, to me is dangerous. Not only because the media is getting it wrong, but also because Mr. Donohue is not always charitable, clear or persuasive.

This is a reasonable concern.

I have friends in his mold, who think that because what they say is valid and faithful, anyone questioning how they say it is questioning their veracity.

St. Paul would scold him as a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.

 

[Aquinas62]

This is a reasonable concern.

I have friends in his mold, who think that because what they say is valid and faithful, anyone questioning how they say it is questioning their veracity.

St. Paul would scold him as a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.

Are you sure of this? if I recall, St. Paul was not very well liked by many of the secular authorities in some areas he preached in… to them he may have sounded like you described above…

 

[manygift1spirit]

Are you sure of this? if I recall, St. Paul was not very well liked by many of the secular authorities in some areas he preached in… to them he may have sounded like you described above…

If you are recalling correctly, then for all we know, Paul could have been thinking of his own weakness when he was inspired to write 1 Cor 13:1. But back at hand, the rightness of his message is not a function of his ability to adhere to it (although the efficacy of its reception might be), and what Paul would actually do is quite beside the point.

You just took me way too literally that’s all. Given you missed CDelphine’s point by a light year earlier, if you split the difference you’d be a sharp cookie.

 

[Aquinas62]

most people who know me think I am pretty intelligent. maybe you missed my point… I didnt miss cdephnes point, she missed mine…

 

[agp2176]

Just a pause for thought here … why is that when a newspaper or broadcast organisation, such as the NY Times or MSNBC, espouses liberal points of view or is somehow allied with the Democrats, it is biased, yet when some, such as Fox News or the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, do the same with conservative points of view or are allied with the GOP they are not.

Seems I can’t believe any news outlet these days

Just a thought to possibly de-rail the thread even further

God bless

Tony

 

[Aquinas62]

Just a pause for thought here … why is that when a newspaper or broadcast organisation, such as the NY Times or MSNBC, espouses liberal points of view or is somehow allied with the Democrats, it is biased, yet when some, such as Fox News or the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, do the same with conservative points of view or are allied with the GOP they are not.

Seems I can’t believe any news outlet these days

Just a thought to possibly de-rail the thread even further

God bless

Tony

I guess the answer to that depends on whose Ox is being gored… I suggest that you see how Liberals refer to Fox News.

 

[Gift_from_God]

You gotta give Donahue credit; he’s more pro-active than the bishops.

Although, I prefer this man more
youtube.com/wordonfirevideo

 

[agp2176]

I guess the answer to that depends on whose Ox is being gored… I suggest that you see how Liberals refer to Fox News.

Kinda my point exactly. The news media is biased in the direction of that the owner choose to take it … Fox to the right, NYT to the left. IMHO this is no way to do news.

I agree that the NYT puts a liberal slant on things, and this is wrong. However a look at one of today’s leading news stories on Fox’s website showed a photoshopped picture of Obama to accompany the story: (quote)White House Leaning on Its Press Office, Not the Media, to Get Message Out.(unquote)

(Story summary)
The White House press office is behaving more and more like an independent media outlet, bypassing traditional news avenues in favor of releasing its own “exclusive” video, voicing administration opinions on its official blog and blasting out updates via Twitter.
(end Story summary)

Sad part is that they neglect to mention that the Bush administration actively used Video News Releases to do exactly the same thing.

Bias? Yep.

What happened to factually relating the news without left or right spin? News reporting has become all about fancy logos and dramatic theme music. I can guarantee you that if another terrorist attack occurred in the USA, the media would be awash with glitter and glam like this and totally wrapped in the American flag. Fox would be blaming it on lapses in the Obama administration and MSNBC would trace it back to Bush, if not back to George H W Bush and Reagan.

And what does this have to do will Bill Donohue. Bill is loud, full of himself and sells ads for people like Bill O’Reilly. Difference is that Bill Donohue is doing it to defend our faith. Roger Ailes is using him for money.

Do we need Bill Donohue? You bet we do. Do we need hypocritical companies like the NYT who gladly accept ad dollars when the Catholic League wants to run an ad? Do we need hypocritical companies like the Fox empire (News Corp) who play nicey nicey with family friendly conservative values on Fox News and then let the Catholic Church be slandered on a show like Family Guy on Fox TV?

Just more thoughts

God bless

Tony

 

[mark_a]

Are you praising Bill Donohue for acting like the “Leftist Media” most people here, probably yourself (but correct me if i’m wrong), disagree with?

I am praising him for defending the Church on the media’s turf, if you will.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Yes.

I have seen him on television and when he defends the Church, he fails to speak in Latin.

His daughter, Ann, was so upset that she quit the Catholic Church and joined the militant wing of Episcopalienism and also changed her name.

To Coulter.

I made that up.]

[But, you have to admit, there is a very strong familial resemblance => genetic similarity?? The two of them MUST be related. Just look at their vocabulary! My goodness, how can they NOT be related!! ]

Anyway, visit www.catholicleague.com and become a Life Member. Read the magazine. And buy the books defending Pope Pius XII.
So, just send Mr. Donohue your whole and entire paycheck. So he can continue his defense of the Church and continue attacking militant atheists and smiting harbingers of bad taste and scruffy logic. And perhaps he and Ann will be reconciled so she can afford to buy food. [She really needs to add a couple of pounds.]

And besides, I’m tired of fighting the good fight of faith and it’s fun to sit back and watch someone else pugilize.*

 

[lynx]

I am praising him for defending the Church on the media’s turf, if you will.

Right, it certainly sounds less hypocritical when you say it like that All i’m saying is when fighting fire with fire then claiming a moral high ground doesn’t work.

 

[OriginalJS]

Bill Donohue sounds like a product of a 1950’s Catholic high school apologetics course who hasn’t matured in the last half century or so. In short, he is an anachronism. His style just doesn’t sit well anymore.

 

[OriginalJS]

I think you’re off-base here. The media LOVE Bill Donohue: 1) He’s a flamboyant ‘source’ for the ‘Catholic Church’s’ perspective. 2) His soundbytes & press releases make it easy on the media – HE sends press releases to THEM, and they get to pound far less pavement in getting the real, or at least official, story. And 3) He fits right into the MSMedia’s paradigm of the Church as Intrusive, Obtrusive, and bullyish.

I couldn’t agree with you more. His style reminds me of former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura who had to say something outrageous every week or so which the press seized on with great vigor.