Is capitalism a special form of slavery?

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Robert_Sock said:
My only experience with true poverty was when I took a trip to Mexico, I also gained special knowledge of poverty in the world through a political science course I took at UCLA. The rest of my knowledge comes from trusted, third party sources, like missionaries.
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Thanks for sharing.

In general I think vacation length visits to 3rd world countries can evoke a strong empathy response, sort like what people feel when they look at one of the pictures you posted. But such short visits don’t provide the backstory or context of what is happening day to day.

I’ve noticed that multiple christian posters here have spent extended periods in 3rd world countries. We have empathy for their poor but I don’t think one of us has concurred that more aid $$ is the medicine they require (excluding times of drought and disaster). Frankly, i don’t think anyone has solid evidence on what works for nation building. But we do have evidence on what doesn’t work.
 
Theo520 said:
Thanks for sharing.

In general I think vacation length visits to 3rd world countries can evoke a strong empathy response, sort like what people feel when they look at one of the pictures you posted. But such short visits don’t provide the backstory or context of what is happening day to day.

I’ve noticed that multiple christian posters here have spent extended periods in 3rd world countries. We have empathy for their poor but I don’t think one of us has concurred that more aid $$ is the medicine they require (excluding times of drought and disaster). Frankly, i don’t think anyone has solid evidence on what works for nation building. But we do have evidence on what doesn’t work.
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I never used to donate until I started reading the Bible and found out that I’m commanded to help the poor. The Bible does not say feed the hungry if and when you think it works, but simply “Feed the hungry.” The command to help those in poverty is in both the old and new testaments. Moreover, it’s emphasized in Christianity and in Judaism (I never read the Koran, so I do not know if they are obligated to help or not). At the very least, pray for them. Missionaries have been doing this for ages, and I believe they are having a big impact. If nothing else, I would suggest we try to help based on a gamble to get our souls to heaven. If what we do does nothing to alleviate poverty, at least we save our own souls! But if we do not follow the command to help when it indeed would have helped, we risk our souls to eternal damnation! We should give from the heart, and not worry whether or not it is effective.
 
There are some ways of helping the poor that are counter productive.

What are the best ways?
 
Monte_RCMS said:
There are some ways of helping the poor that are counter productive.

What are the best ways?
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Let me begin by saying that prayer, especially Contemplative Prayer, will not only aid those in poverty, but it will enhance your spirituality as well (at least it does for me). As I said before, maybe you missed it, but donate to a good charity that knows how to make your donation fruitful.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Here is another discussion on capitalism:

newsmax.com/Finance/RahnMN/greece-democracy-economy-gdp/2011/05/17/id/396660/

All the evidence shows that capitalism helps everyone … works everywhere it has been tried.

The problem is that socialism “sounds” good … what could be bad about being social … and it’s nice to share.

But in real life, in the actuality … socialism is the worst.
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Competitive situations usually results in competition, pride, power and prestige.
 
estesbob said:
For most of the populace For example compare the poor in the US to the poor in Uganda
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The wealth of most developed countries is based on the exploitation of developing nations, though. People can’t keep pretending that they’re unrelated. Even then, many poor people in the US live a quality of life that is not desirable, although the resources are certainly there to help them. We are incredibly wasteful with our consumption. It’s an issue of distribution.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
The wealth of most developed countries is based on the exploitation of developing nations, though. People can’t keep pretending that they’re unrelated. Even then, many poor people in the US live a quality of life that is not desirable, although the resources are certainly there to help them. We are incredibly wasteful with our consumption. It’s an issue of distribution.
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Can I ask you something? I would apreciate perspectives.
Changing the word " exploitation" and looking into being more inclusive within a capitalist economic system…
Would you say that healthy competition and sincere cooperation can or cannot live together?
What do you think? Staying in a positive mood if you can…
 
Yes, because all political systems were made by the Illuminati, who is SATAN. Homosexualism, atheism, and liberalism were all created by the gay Muslim socialist Illuminati reptilians.
 
graciew said:
Can I ask you something? I would apreciate perspectives.
Changing the word " exploitation" and looking into being more inclusive within a capitalist economic system…
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I don’t quite understand what you’re saying here. I don’t think we should remain within a capitalist economy. We need to identify many of the issues we face today as systematic ones caused by capitalism, and work on moving away from it towards a new mode of production. Of course I support reforms within capitalism that make things better, but ultimately I support a move to a new mode of production.
graciew said:
Would you say that healthy competition and sincere cooperation can or cannot live together?
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I don’t think that capitalism promotes healthy competition or cooperation. I think the market economy, and the competition it promotes, is a bad thing, though I appreciate that it once played a progressive role. It’s the market economy that forces businesses to look for cheaper production, drive down wages, fire workers, etc. These problems would not exist under a democratically controlled, centrally planned needs-based economy.
 
It doesn’t seem that long ago. But it was back in 1999 when Venezuela elected Hugo Chavez to bring in the “joys” of socialism.

Right away, Chavez stacked the courts, so he could stay in power past his constitutional term limit. He realigned his country with communist regimes. His government took over private businesses. He cracked down on dissent. He was a thug. And he talked anti-American rhetoric every chance he got.

Of course, liberals here loved him. Hollywood stars and other left wingers flocked to Venezuela to worship at his feet.

Meanwhile, Venezuela suffered. By the time Chavez died in 2013, the once-prosperous country was a basket case. But his hand-picked successor, Nicolás Maduro, promised to keep marching toward socialist utopia.

This week, President Maduro announced a major change. Due to severe energy shortages, the five-day workweek has gone to a two-day workweek. The government blames a drought, but that’s an excuse. Venezuela is an oil-rich country. They used to export oil to us! But it can’t even use its own resources now, because the country’s infrastructure is in collapse. As is almost everything else.

Crime has been out of control for years. There are food shortages, and economic misery. Riots and looting have broken out. Now people are standing in long lines to sign petitions, calling for Maduro’s removal.

It’s a textbook lesson. Socialism fails, every time it’s tried. Here. There. And everywhere. and the millennials still don’t get it.

Capitalism works everywhere and every time it has been tried.
 
Regular_Atheist said:
The wealth of most developed countries is based on the exploitation of developing nations, though. People can’t keep pretending that they’re unrelated. Even then, many poor people in the US live a quality of life that is not desirable, although the resources are certainly there to help them. We are incredibly wasteful with our consumption. It’s an issue of distribution.
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So you Don’t think Uganda being ruled for several decades by a dictator who ate his opponents has anything to do with them being economically depressed ? And why were African countries prosperous when they had stable government in the colonial times but quickly fell into disarray and poverty when the dictators took over their countries?

You know what they say about democracy in Africa-" one man , one vote , once "
 
Regular_Atheist said:
I don’t quite understand what you’re saying here. I don’t think we should remain within a capitalist economy. We need to identify many of the issues we face today as systematic ones caused by capitalism, and work on moving away from it towards a new mode of production. Of course I support reforms within capitalism that make things better, but ultimately I support a move to a new mode of production.

I don’t think that capitalism promotes healthy competition or cooperation. I think the market economy, and the competition it promotes, is a bad thing, though I appreciate that it once played a progressive role. It’s the market economy that forces businesses to look for cheaper production, drive down wages, fire workers, etc. These problems would not exist under a democratically controlled, centrally planned needs-based economy.
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Worked great in the USSR, didn’t it

" there was a sTaying of that was prevalent among the workers in those days . " The system works great… the government pretends to pay us, and we pretend to work
 
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